Author Topic: Sedevacantists please respond (Read 6619 times)

Mabel · « **Reply #65 on:** October 09, 2013, 10:26:56 PM »

Quote from: Ad Jesum per Mariam

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The Church explains prophecy, not YOU. We await the judgment of the Church while you figure it out on your own, condemning others who disagree with your opinions.

SJB, does the Church tell us that she explains prophecy to us, or does she tell us that prophecy is already suitable to our understanding?

First Vatican Council, Chapter 3 On faith:

"...and first and foremost miracles and prophecies, which clearly demonstrating as they do the omnipotence and infinite knowledge of God, are the most certain signs of revelation and are suited to the understanding of all."[/b]

Can you provide a commentary that explains how this relates to apparitions? I'd rather read an approved commentator than your private thoughts.

Ad Jesum per Mariam · « **Reply #66 on:** October 09, 2013, 10:38:22 PM »

Quote from: Hobbledehoy

Quote from: Ad Jesum per Mariam
Catholic prophecy can not be relegated to the back burner or rendered insignificant as the protestants believe. Catholics must prove and hold prophecy.

Neither may Catholics derogate duly approved private revelations in order to suit their views, just as Catholics can never profane the Sacred Scriptures as the heretics and schismatics do with their private interpretations, and the same goes for the Sacred Canons, the decrees and declarations of the Apostolic See and of the holy Œcuмencial Councils.

A Catholic is ruled both in his belief and in his conduct by the sacred magisterium of Holy Mother Church, not by private interpretations of texts. It is by obedience to the Apostolic See that a Catholic is distinguished from all others who endeavor to profess themselves as disciples of Our Lord and yet betray Him in not heeding the guidance of the successors of St. Peter, whom the same Lord God constituted as the rock whereupon He established His One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church (S. Matth. xvi. 18). As the Apostle St. Paul teaches (Rom. x. 17), the faithful are to assent to divine revelation by hearing: "Faith then cometh by hearing; and hearing by the word of Christ." The same Apostle expounds exactly how the faithful are to distinguish the true word of Christ from its pretended imposters (Gal. i. 8): "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach a gospel to you besides that which we have preached to you, let him be anathema." The same blessed Apostle foresaw that indeed the Church would be plagued by those who would stray from the teachings of Our Lord, preferring to pick and choose what to believe and from whence to derive their beliefs: "For there shall be a time, when they will not endure sound doctrine; but, according to their own desires, they will heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears: And will indeed turn away their hearing from the truth, but will be turned unto fables" (II Tim. iv. 3-4).

It is perilous to avail oneself of one's interpretation private revelations, even those duly approved, in an endeavor to demonstrate or disprove a theological proposition. As it is written: "The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that is wise hearkeneth unto counsels" (Prov. xii. 15).

Hobbledehoy, prophecy comes from private revelation, but not all private revelation is prophecy. Prophecy differs from non-prophetic private revelation in that the Church assures us that it is already suitable to our understanding. In regards to prophecy, we have the command to prove it (from the Church). The Church does not bind our conscience to prophecy as she does in faith and morals.

Ad Jesum per Mariam · « **Reply #67 on:** October 09, 2013, 11:11:41 PM »

Quote from: Mabel

Quote from: Ad Jesum per Mariam
Quote from: SJB
The Church explains prophecy, not YOU. We await the judgment of the Church while you figure it out on your own, condemning others who disagree with your opinions.

SJB, does the Church tell us that she explains prophecy to us, or does she tell us that prophecy is already suitable to our understanding?

First Vatican Council, Chapter 3 On faith:

"...and first and foremost miracles and prophecies, which clearly demonstrating as they do the omnipotence and infinite knowledge of God, are the most certain signs of revelation and are suited to the understanding of all."[/b]

Can you provide a commentary that explains how this relates to apparitions? I'd rather read an approved commentator than your private thoughts.

We know prophecy through fulfillment, regardless of the origin. Even Caiaphas prophesied regarding the death of Our Lord (John 11:49-50). What you are referring to is non-prophetic private revelation. These types of revelation need approval from the Church. We have to wait for the apparition and the message to be approved.

MyrnaM · « **Reply #68 on:** October 10, 2013, 11:44:01 AM »

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Seems as if Our Lady (The Queen of Prophets) refutes an empty seat...

"The Vicar of My Son will suffer a great deal, because for a while the Church will yield to LARGE persecution, a time of darkness and the Church will witness a frightful crisis[/u]. He will suffer a great deal. I will be with him until the end and receive his sacrifice. The mischievous would attempt his life several times to do harm and shorten his days. Neither he nor his successor will see the triumph of the Church of God. (Our Lady of LaSalette, 1846)

"As I told you, if men do not repent and better themselves, the Father will inflict a terrible punishment on all humanity. It will be a punishment greater than the deluge, such as no one has ever seen before. Fire will fall from the sky and will wipe out a great part of humanity, the good as well as the bad, sparing neither priests nor faithful. The survivors will find themselves so desolate that they will envy the dead. The only consolation which will remain for you will be the Rosary and the Sign left by My Son. Each day recite the prayers of the Rosary. With the Rosary, pray for the Pope, the bishops and priests." (Our Lady of Akita, 1973)

What say you?

I have not the time right now to read this entire thread, so if someone already posted this I apologize.

Consider also what Our Lady of LaSalette said, "Rome will lose the Faith and become the seat of Anti-Christ"

Don't you think the true popes saw this coming and suffered knowing the devil was at the door.

SJB · « **Reply #69 on:** October 10, 2013, 12:27:53 PM »

Quote from: Ad Jesum per Mariam

Quote from: SJB
The Church explains prophecy, not YOU. We await the judgment of the Church while you figure it out on your own, condemning others who disagree with your opinions.

SJB, does the Church tell us that she explains prophecy to us, or does she tell us that prophecy is already suitable to our understanding?

First Vatican Council, Chapter 3 On faith:

"...and first and foremost miracles and prophecies, which clearly demonstrating as they do the omnipotence and infinite knowledge of God, are the most certain signs of revelation and are suited to the understanding of all."[/b]

Quote from: Cardinal Manning, Lecture IV, Passion and "Death" of the Church

And further, as I said in the beginning, I shall not attempt anything except under the direct guidance of the theology of the Church, and of writers whose works have its approbation. As I have ventured hitherto nothing of my own, so until the end I shall pursue the same course. - "The Pope and the Antichrist," by Cardinal Manning

Cardinal Manning presents the teaching of the Church only and also explains how prophesies gradually unfold and how we cannot fully understand some events until they actually happen.