Author Topic: Sedevacantists please respond (Read 6617 times)

Ambrose · « **Reply #5 on:** October 06, 2013, 05:44:37 PM »

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"The Vicar of My Son will suffer a great deal, because for a while the Church will yield to LARGE persecution, a time of darkness and the Church will witness a frightful crisis. He will suffer a great deal. I will be with him until the end and receive his sacrifice. The mischievous would attempt his life several times to do harm and shorten his days. Neither he nor his successor will see the triumph of the Church of God. (Our Lady of LaSalette, 1846)

I don't see very much suffering among the Vatican II "popes." They think things are great and we are in some sort of great renewal.

It seems to me that this will more likely apply to a future pope. Lets face it, when a pope comes again and publicly professes the Catholic faith and morality, the world will hate him, persecute him, and in my opinion may try to kill him. This will also apply to all who stand with the Holy Father.

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"As I told you, if men do not repent and better themselves, the Father will inflict a terrible punishment on all humanity. It will be a punishment greater than the deluge, such as no one has ever seen before. Fire will fall from the sky and will wipe out a great part of humanity, the good as well as the bad, sparing neither priests nor faithful. The survivors will find themselves so desolate that they will envy the dead. The only consolation which will remain for you will be the Rosary and the Sign left by My Son. Each day recite the prayers of the Rosary. With the Rosary, pray for the Pope, the bishops and priests." (Our Lady of Akita, 1973)

I will wait for a future Pope to order an investigation of Akita before giving it any credence. Paul VI was "pope" at that time and I do not trust him.

2Vermont · « **Reply #6 on:** October 06, 2013, 05:55:12 PM »

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There are probably better people to respond to this but here are my thoughts:

(a) I didn't think Akita was an approved apparition.

(b) Wrt La Salette, Our Lady does not say when this will happen to the Pope. This could be a future pope.

So the frightful crisis and the time of darkness is not now?

After reading through the whole message of Our Lady I would argue that much of what she talks about hasn't happened yet.

Ad Jesum per Mariam · « **Reply #7 on:** October 06, 2013, 06:15:43 PM »

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"The Vicar of My Son will suffer a great deal, because for a while the Church will yield to LARGE persecution, a time of darkness and the Church will witness a frightful crisis. He will suffer a great deal. I will be with him until the end and receive his sacrifice. The mischievous would attempt his life several times to do harm and shorten his days. Neither he nor his successor will see the triumph of the Church of God. (Our Lady of LaSalette, 1846)

I don't see very much suffering among the Vatican II "popes." They think things are great and we are in some sort of great renewal.

It seems to me that this will more likely apply to a future pope. Lets face it, when a pope comes again and publicly professes the Catholic faith and morality, the world will hate him, persecute him, and in my opinion may try to kill him. This will also apply to all who stand with the Holy Father.

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"As I told you, if men do not repent and better themselves, the Father will inflict a terrible punishment on all humanity. It will be a punishment greater than the deluge, such as no one has ever seen before. Fire will fall from the sky and will wipe out a great part of humanity, the good as well as the bad, sparing neither priests nor faithful. The survivors will find themselves so desolate that they will envy the dead. The only consolation which will remain for you will be the Rosary and the Sign left by My Son. Each day recite the prayers of the Rosary. With the Rosary, pray for the Pope, the bishops and priests." (Our Lady of Akita, 1973)

I will wait for a future Pope to order an investigation of Akita before giving it any credence. Paul VI was "pope" at that time and I do not trust him.

The problem with this reply is that there will be a triumph of the Church of God after the crisis foretold at La Salette. Our Lady of Fatima says the same. There will then be a period of peace. If you are referring to the persecution at the end of the world, there will be no successor to the Chair after that. You must conclude then, that there will be another crisis and persecution before the antichrist (besides this one). St. Paul says there will be a (one) revolt before the antichrist. I do not know of two revolts being prophesied.

Let no man deceive you by any means, for unless there come a revolt first, and the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition, Who opposeth, and is lifted up above all that is called God, or that is worshipped, so that he sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself as if he were God. Remember you not, that when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 2 Thes 2:3-5

As for not seeing the suffering, we did see an attempt on the life of John Paul II. John Paul I may have been murdered. John XXIII supposedly wanted the Vatican II council stopped on his death bed. Pope Benedict XVI abruptly retires. I do not think one can dismiss "off hand" suffering of the conciliar popes.

Ad Jesum per Mariam · « **Reply #8 on:** October 06, 2013, 06:19:57 PM »

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There are probably better people to respond to this but here are my thoughts:

(a) I didn't think Akita was an approved apparition.

(b) Wrt La Salette, Our Lady does not say when this will happen to the Pope. This could be a future pope.

So the frightful crisis and the time of darkness is not now?

After reading through the whole message of Our Lady I would argue that much of what she talks about hasn't happened yet.

So the crisis hasn't happened yet? The time of darkness hasn't happened yet? There was no attempt on John Paul II's life? We are not waiting and hoping for the triumph of the Church of God? Please explain.

2Vermont · « **Reply #9 on:** October 06, 2013, 06:20:01 PM »

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"The Vicar of My Son will suffer a great deal, because for a while the Church will yield to LARGE persecution, a time of darkness and the Church will witness a frightful crisis. He will suffer a great deal. I will be with him until the end and receive his sacrifice. The mischievous would attempt his life several times to do harm and shorten his days. Neither he nor his successor will see the triumph of the Church of God. (Our Lady of LaSalette, 1846)

I don't see very much suffering among the Vatican II "popes." They think things are great and we are in some sort of great renewal.

It seems to me that this will more likely apply to a future pope. Lets face it, when a pope comes again and publicly professes the Catholic faith and morality, the world will hate him, persecute him, and in my opinion may try to kill him. This will also apply to all who stand with the Holy Father.

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"As I told you, if men do not repent and better themselves, the Father will inflict a terrible punishment on all humanity. It will be a punishment greater than the deluge, such as no one has ever seen before. Fire will fall from the sky and will wipe out a great part of humanity, the good as well as the bad, sparing neither priests nor faithful. The survivors will find themselves so desolate that they will envy the dead. The only consolation which will remain for you will be the Rosary and the Sign left by My Son. Each day recite the prayers of the Rosary. With the Rosary, pray for the Pope, the bishops and priests." (Our Lady of Akita, 1973)

I will wait for a future Pope to order an investigation of Akita before giving it any credence. Paul VI was "pope" at that time and I do not trust him.

The problem with this reply is that there will be a triumph of the Church of God after the crisis foretold at La Salette. Our Lady of Fatima says the same. There will then be a period of peace. If you are referring to the persecution at the end of the world, there will be no successor to the Chair after that. You must conclude then, that there will be another crisis and persecution before the antichrist (besides this one). St. Paul says there will be a (one) revolt before the antichrist. I do not know of two revolts being prophesied.

Let no man deceive you by any means, for unless there come a revolt first, and the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition, Who opposeth, and is lifted up above all that is called God, or that is worshipped, so that he sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself as if he were God. Remember you not, that when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 2 Thes 2:3-5

As for not seeing the suffering, we did see an attempt on the life of John Paul II. John Paul I may have been murdered. John XXIII supposedly wanted the Vatican II council stopped on his death bed. Pope Benedict XVI abruptly retires. I do not think one can dismiss "off hand" suffering of the conciliar popes.

She says that one pope will have several attempts made on his one life. Has that happened yet? No.