Author Topic: Sedevacantists please respond (Read 3923 times)

Malleus 01 · « **Reply #15 on:** October 06, 2013, 07:39:49 PM »

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La Salette is approved .

False apparitions I dont comment on.

So where is your comment on La Salette?

La Salette has come to pass in our day.

Malleus 01 · « **Reply #16 on:** October 06, 2013, 07:44:50 PM »

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There are probably better people to respond to this but here are my thoughts:

(a) I didn't think Akita was an approved apparition.

(b) Wrt La Salette, Our Lady does not say when this will happen to the Pope. This could be a future pope.

So the frightful crisis and the time of darkness is not now?

Bishop Williamson on LaSalette:

http://williamsonletters.blogspot.com/2009/02/rome-will-loose-faith-la-salette.html

Ad Jesum per Mariam · « **Reply #17 on:** October 06, 2013, 07:45:45 PM »

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La Salette is approved .

False apparitions I dont comment on.

So where is your comment on La Salette?

La Salette has come to pass in our day.

So you believe that we are currently experiencing the crisis foretold by Our Lady of La Salette?

Jerry · « **Reply #18 on:** October 06, 2013, 07:49:06 PM »

To comprehend fully the current condition of world events require understanding of the political, the economic and the spiritual. The three are interconnected.

Today we are beginning to see the fulfillment of the Masonic agenda of a One World Government as called for by Albert Pike, Karl Marx and others. Central to those plans is that the new world government will be run from Jerusalem. Once we defeat Iran and Syria we may expect the rebuilding of the Temple. Does anyone honestly expect Pope Francis to oppose that construction?

"Rome will lose the Faith and become the seat of the Anti-Christ."
Our Lady of La Salette, Sept. 19, 1846

"St. Bernard speaks in the passage of the Antipope as the Beast of the Apocalypse." The Catholic Encyclopedia 1907 Vol.1 pg. 561

"Towards the end of the world, Antichrist will overthrow the pope and usurp his see." Bl. Joachim 1202
The Reign of the Antichrist
pg. 130
Rev. Culleton

"For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive even the elect." Matt 24:24

"Let no man deceive you by any means, for unless there come a revolt first, and the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition, Who opposeth, and is lifted up above all that is called God, or that is worshiped, so that he sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself as if he were God. Remember you not, that when I was yet with you, I told you these things." 2 Thes 2:3-5

Malleus 01 · « **Reply #19 on:** October 06, 2013, 07:58:54 PM »

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La Salette is approved .

False apparitions I dont comment on.

So where is your comment on La Salette?

La Salette has come to pass in our day.

So you believe that we are currently experiencing the crisis foretold by Our Lady of La Salette?

Malleus: La Sallette is by no means the only revelation. Our Lady of Fatima - Our Lady of Good Success - Pope Leo XIII 's vision prior to compiling the St Michael the Archangel Prayer (The full version)

Is Judgement day upon us? No one knows by Our Father in Heaven.

Look at Rome what do you see? Holiness? Vocations? A Pope who stands up against the evils of our day? By the fruits should you know them.

How long this trial lasts is anyones guess. Arianism lasted 300 years .

Has Elias or Enoch come? Not yet. Is the current Claimant the Anti Christ? I cannot say this.

But are we in a period of Heresy? Anyone who is in denial of that must have their head in the sand

Ad Jesum per Mariam · « **Reply #20 on:** October 06, 2013, 08:09:29 PM »

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There are probably better people to respond to this but here are my thoughts:

(a) I didn't think Akita was an approved apparition.

(b) Wrt La Salette, Our Lady does not say when this will happen to the Pope. This could be a future pope.

So the frightful crisis and the time of darkness is not now?

Bishop Williamson on LaSalette:

http://williamsonletters.blogspot.com/2009/02/rome-will-loose-faith-la-salette.html

Good article. It shows that the current crisis goes far beyond poor interpretation of Vatican II docuмents, and abuses in the so called "mass." Holy Mother Church has been eclipsed.

Ad Jesum per Mariam · « **Reply #21 on:** October 06, 2013, 08:16:15 PM »

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La Salette is approved .

False apparitions I dont comment on.

So where is your comment on La Salette?

La Salette has come to pass in our day.

So you believe that we are currently experiencing the crisis foretold by Our Lady of La Salette?

Malleus: La Sallette is by no means the only revelation. Our Lady of Fatima - Our Lady of Good Success - Pope Leo XIII 's vision prior to compiling the St Michael the Archangel Prayer (The full version)

Is Judgement day upon us? No one knows by Our Father in Heaven.

Look at Rome what do you see? Holiness? Vocations? A Pope who stands up against the evils of our day? By the fruits should you know them.

How long this trial lasts is anyones guess. Arianism lasted 300 years .

Has Elias or Enoch come? Not yet. Is the current Claimant the Anti Christ? I cannot say this.

But are we in a period of Heresy? Anyone who is in denial of that must have their head in the sand

Then you believe that we have had a Vicar during the crisis as Our Lady said?

Malleus 01 · « **Reply #22 on:** October 06, 2013, 08:39:02 PM »

I do not speculate on that any longer because neither sedevacantists nor members of SSPX obey him in all things.

If we go to Mass , obey the Commandmewnts frequent the Sacraments and believe and live as Catholics and keep ourselves unstained and pray our Holy Rosaries - This is not disobedience is it? There are no laws against these things.

Obedience is there to Keep Catholics on the straight and narrow.

In todays world - Obedience to Rome would have the opposite effect.

So the purpose of Obedience is rendered moot.

Therefore , who is or isnt Pope is a non issue - Not because we say so but because of Romes infidelity to Christ who is our King.

It remains our charge to always put GOD first.

songbird · « **Reply #23 on:** October 06, 2013, 08:48:21 PM »

Chapter 12 of Daniel states that the Continual sacrifice will come to an end. Much tribulation and then a time of peace after 3 and a half years pass of no sacrifice.

I do believe that this passage is very important and I do believe we are very close to this. Questions should run through our minds, like, the new order has no continual sacrifice, no Precious Blood. Without Christ's Blood, evil abounds, tribulation.

My question is, if no Precious Blood, then no clergy?!

For those, especially who wish to stay New Order, just read this passage and the commentary.

Ad Jesum per Mariam · « **Reply #24 on:** October 06, 2013, 09:55:38 PM »

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I do not speculate on that any longer because neither sedevacantists nor members of SSPX obey him in all things.

If we go to Mass , obey the Commandmewnts frequent the Sacraments and believe and live as Catholics and keep ourselves unstained and pray our Holy Rosaries - This is not disobedience is it? There are no laws against these things.

Obedience is there to Keep Catholics on the straight and narrow.

In todays world - Obedience to Rome would have the opposite effect.

So the purpose of Obedience is rendered moot.

Therefore , who is or isnt Pope is a non issue - Not because we say so but because of Romes infidelity to Christ who is our King.

It remains our charge to always put GOD first.

I hear you. I am just as upset about Rome's infidelity to Christ as you are. The point is Our Lady says we have a Pope during this crisis. That alone is enough reason to abandon sedevacantism completely. Prophecy is essential so that we are not swayed by the winds of doctrine (sedevacantism).

[11] And he gave some apostles, and some prophets, and other some evangelists, and other some pastors and doctors, [12] For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: [13] Until we all meet into the unity of faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the age of the fulness of Christ; [14] That henceforth we be no more children tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine by the wickedness of men, by cunning craftiness, by which they lie in wait to deceive. [15] But doing the truth in charity, we may in all things grow up in him who is the head, even Christ: Eph 4:11-15

The Pope must do the Consecration of Our Lady's Immaculate Heart to Russia with all the bishops to end the crisis. We are supposed to be praying for the Pope not deposing him! This is certainly a serious matter, for a huge punishment hangs in the balance. We can lawfully resist the Pope if He commands us to abandon the traditions of the Church. Our Lord did the same with the scribes and the Pharisees who apostatized (by all human means of judging). Deposing the Pope is not necessary in order to hold our traditions. There is everything to lose and nothing to gain in deposing the Pope.

Ad Jesum per Mariam · « **Reply #25 on:** October 06, 2013, 10:30:16 PM »

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Chapter 12 of Daniel states that the Continual sacrifice will come to an end. Much tribulation and then a time of peace after 3 and a half years pass of no sacrifice.

I do believe that this passage is very important and I do believe we are very close to this. Questions should run through our minds, like, the new order has no continual sacrifice, no Precious Blood. Without Christ's Blood, evil abounds, tribulation.

My question is, if no Precious Blood, then no clergy?!

For those, especially who wish to stay New Order, just read this passage and the commentary.

Daniel (Chapter 12) speaks of the very last days when the antichrist is persecuting the Church for 3.5 years (not this time). After this Christ will come again and the world as we know it will end. There will be a new Heaven and a new Earth.

[7] And I heard the man that was clothed in linen, that stood upon the waters of the river: when he had lifted up his right hand, and his left hand to heaven, and had sworn, by him that liveth for ever, that it should be unto a time, and times, and half a time. And when the scattering of the band of the holy people shall be accomplished, all these things shall be finished. Dan 12:7

[11] And from the time when the continual sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination unto desolation shall be set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred ninety days, Dan 12:11

Ambrose · « **Reply #26 on:** October 06, 2013, 11:42:04 PM »

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What theology is being contradicted. Please explain. Also, ordinary private revelation does not bind, but prophecy does (or we extinguish the Spirit). La Salette certainly qualifies as prophecy. What I am doing and what you are failing to do is to prove the prophecy (1 Thes 5:18-21). On top of that, I specifically said we were not at the end. You are not reading my posts carefully. I said there would be a period of peace, then the end. Here is what I said...

Can you show me where the Church teaches that prophesy binds a conscience? I don't have to prove anything regarding prophesy. The prophesies in the approved apparitions are open to interpretation, there is no official way that they must be held.

This appears to me the issue here, that you are exaggerating the importance of prophesy and using it as an argument to support the claims of the Vatican II "popes." If this is not your intent, then what is it?

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"The problem with this reply is that there will be a triumph of the Church of God after the crisis foretold at La Salette. Our Lady of Fatima says the same. There will then be a period of peace. If you are referring to the persecution at the end of the world, there will be no successor to the Chair after that. You must conclude then, that there will be another crisis and persecution before the antichrist (besides this one). St. Paul says there will be a (one) revolt before the antichrist. I do not know of two revolts being prophesied."

Whose to say that St. Paul is talking about our crisis? Maybe he is talking about a much greater revolt that has yet to come.

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y you saying that our current crisis is not the crisis foretold by Our Lady of La Salette, you imply that there will be another crisis before the persecution of the antichrist. You have still not responded to that.

I don't know if it is or it isn't. I do know that Our Lady of Fatima promised an era of peace after the consecration of Russia by the Pope and the bishops. That appears to me to mean that this crisis will not lead to the immediate end of the world.

But, either way, it is futile to think we can answer any of this, private revelation is not part of the deposit of Faith.

Ad Jesum per Mariam · « **Reply #27 on:** October 07, 2013, 12:18:42 AM »

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What theology is being contradicted. Please explain. Also, ordinary private revelation does not bind, but prophecy does (or we extinguish the Spirit). La Salette certainly qualifies as prophecy. What I am doing and what you are failing to do is to prove the prophecy (1 Thes 5:18-21). On top of that, I specifically said we were not at the end. You are not reading my posts carefully. I said there would be a period of peace, then the end. Here is what I said...

Can you show me where the Church teaches that prophesy binds a conscience? I don't have to prove anything regarding prophesy. The prophesies in the approved apparitions are open to interpretation, there is no official way that they must be held.

This appears to me the issue here, that you are exaggerating the importance of prophesy and using it as an argument to support the claims of the Vatican II "popes." If this is not your intent, then what is it?

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"The problem with this reply is that there will be a triumph of the Church of God after the crisis foretold at La Salette. Our Lady of Fatima says the same. There will then be a period of peace. If you are referring to the persecution at the end of the world, there will be no successor to the Chair after that. You must conclude then, that there will be another crisis and persecution before the antichrist (besides this one). St. Paul says there will be a (one) revolt before the antichrist. I do not know of two revolts being prophesied."

Whose to say that St. Paul is talking about our crisis? Maybe he is talking about a much greater revolt that has yet to come.

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y you saying that our current crisis is not the crisis foretold by Our Lady of La Salette, you imply that there will be another crisis before the persecution of the antichrist. You have still not responded to that.

I don't know if it is or it isn't. I do know that Our Lady of Fatima promised an era of peace after the consecration of Russia by the Pope and the bishops. That appears to me to mean that this crisis will not lead to the immediate end of the world.

But, either way, it is futile to think we can answer any of this, private revelation is not part of the deposit of Faith.

Unfortunately you do not discern between a mere ordinary private revelation and an authentic prophecy of a Church approved apparition. I showed aready in two Scripture verses that as Catholics we are obliged to prove and hold prophecy. All prophecies come through a private revelation of some sort. There would be no prophecy if all people thought like you. Many in the conciliar Church think the same way. Many perished by dismissing prophecies of the Old Testament prophets as mere private revelations. Many in this age have already perished and will perish by not heeding Our Lady's prophecies through her blessed seers.

Ambrose · « **Reply #28 on:** October 07, 2013, 12:23:15 AM »

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Unfortunately you do not discern between a mere ordinary private revelation and an authentic prophecy of a Church approved apparition. I showed aready in two Scripture verses that as Catholics we are obliged to prove and hold prophecy. All prophecies come through a private revelation of some sort. There would be no prophecy if all people thought like you. Many in the conciliar Church think the same way. Many perished by dismissing prophecies of the Old Testament prophets as mere private revelations. Many in this age have already perished and will perish by not heeding Our Lady's prophecies through her blessed seers.

Even an approved apparition is not part of the Deposit of Faith.

But, as I said before, there is no official interpretation of the prophesies as given in the apparitions of Our Lady or of the saints. A Catholic is not bound to conclude that the prophesy relates to our times, or any specific time.

Ad Jesum per Mariam · « **Reply #29 on:** October 07, 2013, 12:24:16 AM »

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Whose to say that St. Paul is talking about our crisis? Maybe he is talking about a much greater revolt that has yet to come.

Nearly the whole world has currently lost the faith Ambrose. A greater revolt?