Author Topic: Sedevacantism vs. the Catholic Faith (Read 17178 times)

SJB · « **Reply #55 on:** October 09, 2009, 02:37:30 PM »

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The recovery of the notion of sacredness and reverence and fear will go along way in "re-orienting" the strange policies of this pernicious council.

This is strange in itself, Caminus. A pernicious council teaching strange doctrines or "policies" as you put it, needing to be "re-oriented'?

Is this Catholic?

SJB · « **Reply #56 on:** October 09, 2009, 05:43:03 PM »

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Or unless it is clear they have incurred a sentence of excommunication (including latae sententiae with such notoriety that it is not concealed and cannot be excused in law. (Pope Eugene IV, ex cathedra)

This is wrong, I believe. Excommunication deprives one of the spiritual goods of the Church...it does not necessarily cause a loss of membership in the Church.

Minor excommunication is what you are thinking of, not that which is called latae sententiae, that is excommunication promulgated by the law for the profession of heresy or any false religion.

Go to this thread about it where Caminus called me an idiot.

There are many latae sententiae excommunications. Profession of heresy is only one of them.

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If we can just assume various people are excommunicated, and treat them accordingly, what is the point of having Church authorities at all? We're all our own Vatican.

A common criticism of sedevacantism -- every man becomes his own pope. I don't see any problem with that criticism at the moment.

I don't think you understand the context of this conversation.

If you go back and read it I think you'll see why I said what I said.

Caminus · « **Reply #57 on:** October 09, 2009, 06:54:25 PM »

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The recovery of the notion of sacredness and reverence and fear will go along way in "re-orienting" the strange policies of this pernicious council.

This is strange in itself, Caminus. A pernicious council teaching strange doctrines or "policies" as you put it, needing to be "re-oriented'?

Is this Catholic?

No, but it is equally true that Catholics can do and say un-Catholic things whilst still remaining Catholics. This is a hard truth. Now put these people in positions of authority and behold the kind of damage they can do. If John Paul was a simple parish priest and attempted to conduct Assisi-like meetings, the evil would be restrained to his diocese or parish and in normal times he would have been censured. But place him in the Papacy and look what happens.

SJB · « **Reply #58 on:** October 09, 2009, 06:59:54 PM »

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The recovery of the notion of sacredness and reverence and fear will go along way in "re-orienting" the strange policies of this pernicious council.

This is strange in itself, Caminus. A pernicious council teaching strange doctrines or "policies" as you put it, needing to be "re-oriented'?

Is this Catholic?

No, but it is equally true that Catholics can do and say un-Catholic things whilst still remaining Catholics. This is a hard truth.

It's an easy truth, Caminus. You just like to pretend that I don't understand this.

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Now put these people in positions of authority and behold the kind of damage they can do. If John Paul was a simple parish priest and attempted to conduct Assisi-like meetings, the evil would be restrained to his diocese or parish and in normal times he would have been censured. But place him in the Papacy and look what happens.

Except the pope, who CONFIRMS his brethren in the FAITH...has the protection of the charism of INFALLIBILITY in Faith and Morals.

An individual Bishop does not have this special charism...and the Pope is the only one who can remove him from his position.

Caminus · « **Reply #59 on:** October 09, 2009, 08:29:08 PM »

The Pope is infallible only under very strict conditions.