Author Topic: Sedevacantism vs. the Catholic Faith (Read 17212 times)

SJB · « **Reply #35 on:** October 07, 2009, 02:51:43 PM »

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Or unless it is clear they have incurred a sentence of excommunication (including latae sententiae with such notoriety that it is not concealed and cannot be excused in law. (Pope Eugene IV, ex cathedra)

This is wrong, I believe. Excommunication deprives one of the spiritual goods of the Church...it does not necessarily cause a loss of membership in the Church.

CM · « **Reply #36 on:** October 07, 2009, 02:54:25 PM »

Excuse me, but I quote the same words that were ratified by Pope Eugene IV, and they are wrong? Get real.

Caminus · « **Reply #37 on:** October 07, 2009, 04:04:08 PM »

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It's a general description since this is a crisis primarily of bishops in one way or another.

Which, of necessity, must have some kind of specific, practical application - or it is so much horse pucky.

SSPX

Caminus · « **Reply #38 on:** October 07, 2009, 04:08:51 PM »

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Ah, we can't avoid evil, or determine where catholic tradition is without making illicit judgments or rendering our opinions binding on others. I'll be waiting for an "authority" on that one.

You can and must avoid heretics. See St. Paul on this one.

As far as I can tell, you shouldn't be avoiding other Catholics because of doctrinal matters less than heresy. You do not shun excommunicants unless they are excommunicated by name and "to be avoided".

Heresy is part of the equation here because certain notions are in fact proximate to heresy and lead to heresy, as well as other factors that have destroyed our supernatural religion. Some certain doctrinal matters may not be heresy strictly speaking, but do have effects which destroy nonetheless and consequently should be avoided. Add to this a certain materialism and worldiness that isn't limited to a certain person or group of people and we have a terrible problem. As was said before, our material separation from the normal structure of the Church is accidental and beside our formal intention of adhering to tradition. This is, I believe, the proper attitude to have.

Caminus · « **Reply #39 on:** October 07, 2009, 04:10:45 PM »

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Excuse me, but I quote the same words that were ratified by Pope Eugene IV, and they are wrong? Get real.

I have never seen anyone so affected by such a malignant spiritual pride.