To Ladislaus:


With the greatest respect to you, it is simply absurd to state that the Prophecy of St Francis refers to anything but one particular individual:


"At the time of this tribulation a man, not canonically elected, will be raised to the Pontificate, who, by his cunning, will endeavour to draw many into error and death. Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it under foot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days JESUS CHRIST WILL SEND THEM NOT A TRUE PASTOR, BUT A DESTROYER."

Nonsense, andysloan.  This is referring to a specific individual and in my opinion refers to the fact that Cardinal Siri was elected in 1958 but then Angelo Roncalli uncanonically usurped the papacy, with the forced resignation of Gregory XVII being invalid.  St. Francis didn't say that this pope was heretical but zeroed in on uncanonical election, which IMO has to be a reference to the usurpation from Cardinal Siri.  Just because St. Francis is speaking HERE about one individual and does not explicitly mention his successors absolutely DOES NOT MEAN that there couldn't have been successors.

Again, I point out that theology does not derive from private revelation.

andysloan, you continue to put on a guise of humility but then wax prophetic, as if you're inspired by the Holy Spirit, in pronouncing on matters with absolute certainty.  Please give it a rest.

To Ladislaus


And not for the first time you are advised:



1 Tim 6:3-5

"If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to that doctrine which is according to godliness,  He is proud, knowing nothing, but sick about questions and strifes of words; from which arise envies, contentions, blasphemies, evil suspicions, Conflicts of men corrupted in mind, and who are destitute of the truth,"


It is a serious business all this shaping sound teaching according to your own conviction, rather then your conviction being shaped by teaching.

I understand the church teaching on private revelation. But why does heaven give private revelation if not for our instruction?

   

1 Corinthians 14:6

"But now, brethren, if I come to you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, unless I speak to you either in revelation, or in knowledge, or in prophecy, or in doctrine?"



We don't know the exact text of the 3rd secret. But quoting from the "SuscipeDomine" website:


"Father Malachi Martin has told us that he has read the Third Secret — he announced that on the Art Bell radio program, which we have on audio tape. In addition, in answer to a number of questions, Father Malachi Martin stated that Our Lady came to Garabandal, Spain, because the Third Secret was not released in 1960 as She had requested. As a result, Our Lady appeared in 1961 — one year after the Vatican failed to release the Third Secret — and She basically released the Secret to the four children at Garabandal, or at least within the message of Garabandal. And the most striking thing of all in that message is "many Cardinals, bishops and priests are going to hell and dragging many souls with them" and that a great chastisement awaits mankind because of the sins of this time."

That's right.  We don't know.

But Scripture has warned us of lying, false teachers creating diabolical sects.  And that is public revelation.

To JohnAnthonyMarie,


It looks like the conciliar church is the intermediate step to the insight given by the great Bishop Sheen:



“. . .Antichrist and his prophet will introduce ceremonies to imitate the Sacraments of the Church. In fact there will be a complete organization - a church of Satan set up in opposition to the Church of Christ. Satan will assume the part of God the Father; Antichrist will be honored as Savior, and his prophet will usurp the role of Pope. Their ceremonies will counterfeit the Sacraments . . .” Father E. Sylvester Berry - The Apocalypse of St. John (1921).



Matthew 24:15-16

"When therefore you shall see the abomination of desolation, which was spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place: he that readeth let him understand.
Then they that are in Judea, let them flee to the mountains:"


   

Apocalypse 13:15

"And it was given him to give life to the image of the beast, and that the image of the beast should speak; and should cause, that whosoever will not adore the image of the beast, should be slain."



Perhaps the adoration of the image of the antichrist is the inverse of our worship of Christ in the Blessed Sacrament.

I don't see anywhere in prophecy where it even speaks about a series of BAD popes, but we've had those too.

Please put aside your prophetic charism and try to deal with fact and theology.

Ladislaus said:


"Please put aside your prophetic charism and try to deal with fact and theology."



This is fact and theology. There is no prophecy I have ever seen that speaks of a line of invalid-popes.


And as you demonstrate with the stridency of your responses, you are uncomfortable about this. And this because it contradicts your conviction, which is your first allegiance above truth and is founded on your pride which seeks exclusivity above others:


Augustine says (De Util. Credendi i) that "a heretic is one who either devises or follows false and new opinions, for the sake of some temporal profit, especially that he may lord and be honored above others." - Summa Theologica - On Heresy


Such behaviour cannot be pleasing to God and when the great warning comes, you rebels will be called on this and you have no excuse, because you have been warned multiple times:


"...a great day, not wherein any temporal potentate should minister, but wherein the Terrible Judge should reveal all men's consciences and try every man of each kind of religion." St Edmund Campion


"a great purification will come upon the world preceded by an 'illumination of conscience' in which everyone will see themselves as God sees them" - Blessed Anna Maria Taigi.

To 2vermont

The same admonition given to Ladislaus applies to you.


The reasoning provided through the thread is sound.


All this division is not of God:

   

Philippians 3:15

"Let us therefore, as many as are perfect, be thus minded; and if in any thing you be otherwise minded, this also God will reveal to you."



And you people over-riding even common-sense, will have to give an account to God for you cleaving to error in self-justification. It seems not to trouble you now, but the great warning is not far away.


Summa Theologica - on Unbelief


As stated above (Article 5), two things may be considered in unbelief. One of these is its relation to faith: and from this point of view, he who resists the faith after accepting it, sins more grievously against faith, than he who resists it without having accepted it, even as he who fails to fulfil what he has promised, sins more grievously than if he had never promised it. On this way the unbelief of heretics, who confess their belief in the Gospel, and resist that faith by corrupting it, is a more grievous sin than that of the Jєωs, who have never accepted the Gospel faith. Since, however, they accepted the figure of that faith in the Old Law, which they corrupt by their false interpretations, their unbelief is a more grievous sin than that of the heathens, because the latter have not accepted the Gospel faith in any way at all.

The second thing to be considered in unbelief is the corruption of matters of faith. On this respect, since heathens err on more points than Jєωs, and these in more points than heretics, the unbelief of heathens is more grievous than the unbelief of the Jєωs, and that of the Jєωs than that of the heretics, except in such cases as that of the Manichees, who, in matters of faith, err even more than heathens do.

Of these two gravities the first surpasses the second from the point of view of guilt; since, as stated above (Article 1) unbelief has the character of guilt, from its resisting faith rather than from the mere absence of faith, for the latter as was stated (1) seems rather to bear the character of punishment. Hence, speaking absolutely, the unbelief of heretics is the worst.