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Offline SeanJohnson

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Re: Sedevacantism is the only explanation
« Reply #30 on: November 18, 2019, 07:33:58 PM »
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  • Ah, yes, SeanJohson, ever obsessed with smoking out the sedevacantists and Feeneyites so he can demand that Matthew ban them.  I have an idea, Sean.  Go start your own forum ... for Resistance only, and invite the Resistance members over there.  I'm sure you guys would have a blast ... just giving each other perpetual thumbs up and patting each other on the back.  I'm sure it would be a very active and lively forum ...  :sleep:  If you all promise to leave here, I'll help you set up a forum all to yourselves.
    Says the guy who regularly guesser/accuses his enemies of being various hostile sin the anonymous forum, and only a couple days ago called for the ban of those who disagree with him!
    You are a total joke and a con.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Sedevacantism is the only explanation
    « Reply #31 on: November 18, 2019, 07:37:33 PM »
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  • Yeah, Sean, you would have to be a little paranoid to actually think that.

    Absolutely.  He's almost clinically paranoid.  He thinks that the sedevacantists and Feeneyites have joined forces, lying in wait for any post by him so they can pounce and attack, swarming on him like a pack of ravenous hyenas.

    Of course, he ignores the fact that sedevacantists are actually the most hostile enemies of Feeneyites out there and that most Feeneyites are not sedevacantists ... with the one exception being the Dimondites, but there have been relatively few of them here on CI.


    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Sedevacantism is the only explanation
    « Reply #32 on: November 18, 2019, 07:46:16 PM »
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  • Says the guy who regularly guesser/accuses his enemies of being various hostile sin the anonymous forum, and only a couple days ago called for the ban of those who disagree with him!
    You are a total joke and a con.

    Produce the post where I called for those who disagree with me to be banned ... or issue a public apology.  I was just now diagreeing with the call for poche to be banned.  I've repeatedly stated that I relish the difference of opinion on this forum and that it would be a boring place if everyone thought the same way.

    Sean Johnson, November 16:
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    Don’t expect any admission from these Feeneyite heretic infiltrators.
    One is only capable of posting pics, and the other just likes to read his own words.
    They will conclude the pope was insane, puritanical, or whatever is necessary to submit to their wives.
    They are liberal feminists, and should be banned.

    Project much, Sean?  Rarely does a day go by where you're not demanding that those who disagree with you get banned.  In fact, when Matthew rejected your demands at one point, you stormed off the forum, vowing never to return.

    Offline Incredulous

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    Re: Sedevacantism is the only explanation
    « Reply #33 on: November 18, 2019, 08:06:42 PM »
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  • The patient, Mr. Johnson, has recurring nightmares of what he describes as Russian "Feeneyites" surrounding him
    and making him undergo an ice-plunge Baptism at Lake Calhoun in Minneapolis.





    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Sedevacantism is the only explanation
    « Reply #34 on: November 18, 2019, 08:31:41 PM »
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  • The patient, Mr. Johnson, has recurring nightmares of what he describes as Russian "Feeneyites" surrounding him
    and making him undergo an ice-plunge Baptism at Lake Calhoun in Minneapolis.


    Repent of your Feeneyism, Incredulous.


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    Re: Sedevacantism is the only explanation
    « Reply #35 on: November 18, 2019, 08:58:45 PM »
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  • Repent of your Feeneyism, Incredulous.

    Colin... my friend.  

    Are you a (3) or a (4) baptisms man?

    (1) Baptism by water, (2) Baptism by desire, (3) Baptism by Blood and (4) IBOD

    "... implicit baptism of desire. This consists in doing the will of God. God knows all men and He knows amongst Protestants, Muslim, Buddhists and in the whole of humanity there are men of good will. They receive the grace of baptism without knowing it, but in an effective way. In this they become part of the Church".
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Sedevacantism is the only explanation
    « Reply #36 on: November 18, 2019, 09:09:25 PM »
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  • Colin... my friend.  

    Are you a (3) or a (4) baptisms man?

    (1) Baptism by water, (2) Baptism by desire, (3) Baptism by Blood and (4) IBOD

    "... implicit baptism of desire. This consists in doing the will of God. God knows all men and He knows amongst Protestants, Muslim, Buddhists and in the whole of humanity there are men of good will. They receive the grace of baptism without knowing it, but in an effective way. In this they become part of the Church".
    Damn Feeneyites!

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    Re: Sedevacantism is the only explanation
    « Reply #37 on: November 19, 2019, 05:03:00 AM »
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  • Colin.... now is that nice to say?

    Anyway, so there you are at Holy Mass reading your missal's Tridentine Liturgy.

    One Sundays, you read and profess one Baptism.... correct?

    Then, at every low Mass where you assist, you also pray the last Gospel of St. John.  Is it true?

    In that Gospel, are they keys to unlocking your confusion on Invincible ignorance, Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus and the Gateway Sacrament.


    John 1

    [1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. [2] The same was in the beginning with God. [3] All things were made by him: and without him was made nothing that was made. [4] In him was life, and the life was the light of men. [5] And the light shineth in darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.
    [6] There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. [7] This man came for a witness, to give testimony of the light, that all men might believe through him. [8] He was not the light, but was to give testimony of the light. [9] That was the true light, which enlighteneth every man that cometh into this world. [10] He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
    [11] He came unto his own, and his own received him not. [12] But as many as received him, he gave them power to be made the sons of God, to them that believe in his name. [13] Who are born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. [14] And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we saw his glory, the glory as it were of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
    [John 1:1-14]



    It is simple.   Just believe what you pray.

    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


    Offline Stubborn

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    Re: Sedevacantism is the only explanation
    « Reply #38 on: November 19, 2019, 06:29:16 AM »
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  • 1) assent only has to be given to extraordinary acts of the Magisterium while we are free to dissent from teachings of the universal ordinary magisterium
    2) we have had heretical Popes in the past
    3) the Church can give to the faithful that which is harmful, evil and heretical.
    4) you may resist legitimate Popes’ commands, teachings and laws and refuse submission to him.
    5) an ecuмenical council assembled, ratified and enforced by a Roman Pontiff can promulgate heresy and be rejected by the faithful
    1) False - If you are saying what think you are trying to say.

    2) True - Pope John XXII is one who taught that our eternal sentence does not begin until the Final Judgement at the end of the world.

    3) False, blatantly.

    4) "Legitimate* is the key word you have misplaced. You should have worded it this way - had you worded it this way, the answer for #4 would be; False:
    you may resist the Popes’ legitimate commands, teachings and laws and refuse submission to him.

    5) True - reference The Second Vatican Council - Note: heresy must be rejected no matter the source.
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    Re: Sedevacantism is the only explanation
    « Reply #39 on: November 19, 2019, 06:49:30 AM »
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  • Possessed?  Occult?  

    How do we know that you are still not possessed and drinking kool aid?
    May God bless you and keep you

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    Re: Sedevacantism is the only explanation
    « Reply #40 on: November 19, 2019, 08:58:27 AM »
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  • Produce the post where I called for those who disagree with me to be banned ... or issue a public apology.

    I'm waiting, SeanJohnson.  You alleged that just a couple/few days ago I was calling for the banning of those who disagreed with me.


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    Re: Sedevacantism is the only explanation
    « Reply #41 on: November 19, 2019, 09:02:01 AM »
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  • Repent of your Feeneyism, Incredulous.

    You do strike a bit of an arrogant all-knowing tone for someone who just converted to the faith.  You could have phrased it like "I don't agree with your Feeneyism."  But your demand for repentance suggests that you have put yourself on the level of God.  Beware the pride and bitter zeal that often accompanies sedevacantism.

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    Re: Sedevacantism is the only explanation
    « Reply #42 on: November 19, 2019, 10:23:47 AM »
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  • Well, because we seem to have the former and obviously don't have the latter. In fact, we'll never have the latter, since Our Lord promised that to us.

    But saying the people claiming to be the pope and bishops don't preach the Catholic Faith is simply an observation of obvious facts.

    Every time sedevacantism is brought up, someone says that it would be equivalent to a defection of the Church, and every time someone says this I ask them where it has been dogmatically defined that there will always be men holding the offices of bishops with ordinary jurisdiction currently reigning. The fact that no one can quote me a definition of this and respond with only evasive answers only confirms my suspicion that it doesn't exist. :furtive:

    EDIT: formatting

    Quote from: Vatican I
    So then, just as he sent apostles, whom he chose out of the world [39], even as he had been sent by the Father [40], in like manner it was his will that in his church there should be shepherds and teachers until the end of time.

    https://www.papalencyclicals.net/councils/ecuм20.htm

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    Re: Sedevacantism is the only explanation
    « Reply #43 on: November 19, 2019, 10:26:23 AM »
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  • Every time sedevacantism is brought up, someone says that it would be equivalent to a defection of the Church, and every time someone says this I ask them where it has been dogmatically defined that there will always be men holding the offices of bishops with ordinary jurisdiction currently reigning. The fact that no one can quote me a definition of this and respond with only evasive answers only confirms my suspicion that it doesn't exist. :furtive:

    Another question one can ask is "where it has been dogmatically defined that there will NOT always be men holding the offices of bishops with ordinary jurisdiction currently reigning"

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    Re: Sedevacantism is the only explanation
    « Reply #44 on: November 19, 2019, 10:32:06 AM »
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  • Another question one can ask is "where it has been dogmatically defined that there will NOT always be men holding the offices of bishops with ordinary jurisdiction currently reigning"
    Dumb question, you can't prove a negative. It's irrelevant anyway since I already provided him with a quote proving there'll always be a hierarchy.