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Re: Sedevacantism in Church History
« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2024, 09:34:02 AM »
This will be another interesting thread (though I believe fairly simple to answer?) as long as it doesn’t turn into another Sedevacantist vs R&R debate hahaaaa…..

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Re: Sedevacantism in Church History
« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2024, 09:54:10 AM »
Yes. Sedevacantism is taught by all the Fathers of the Church, as St. Robert Bellarmine tells us. Fr. Cekada's pamphlet here cites numerous pre-Vatican 2 theologians in favor of sedevacantism.

Actually, it is recognize and resist that does not exist before Vatican 2.
Pope Paul IV taught R&R in 1559 in his Apostolic Constitution, cuм ex Apostolatus Officio...

1.In assessing Our duty and the situation now prevailing, We have been weighed upon by the thought
that a matter of this kind [i.e. error in respect of the Faith] is so grave and so dangerous that the Roman
Pontiff,who is the representative upon earth of God and our God and Lord Jesus Christ, who holds the
fulness of power over peoples and kingdoms, who may judge all and be judged by none in this world,
may nonetheless be contradicted if he be found to have deviated from the Faith.

This shows that he taught that not only is a heretical pope possible, he also told us what to do about it.


Re: Sedevacantism in Church History
« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2024, 09:56:33 AM »
Yes. Sedevacantism is taught by all the Fathers of the Church, as St. Robert Bellarmine tells us. Fr. Cekada's pamphlet here cites numerous pre-Vatican 2 theologians in favor of sedevacantism.

Actually, it is recognize and resist that does not exist before Vatican 2.

As a theory, Sedevacantism has existed before, as Yeti says, but, as a reality, the current crisis is unprecedented.

This is why we have so much confusion. Some say that what we have today is not what the scholars of old taught. Others say that it is as they said, but each group applies it slightly differently.

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Re: Sedevacantism in Church History
« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2024, 08:08:13 PM »
My early research hasn't detected anything in Church history on the same level as the sedevacantism that originated with Vatican 2.
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This is a bit of an odd claim. Can you tell us a little about your research? Did you read Canon 188 of the 1917 code of canon law, for example?

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Re: Sedevacantism in Church History
« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2024, 04:50:27 AM »
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This is a bit of an odd claim. Can you tell us a little about your research? Did you read Canon 188 of the 1917 code of canon law, for example?
Perhaps in reference to cuм ex, he read Canon 1556.