It wasn't easy for me, a convert from evangelical pentecostalism, to Novus Ordo, then back and forth from indult and NO, to indult religious life (until community was suppressed) then to SSPX and finally to SV position.  It has been an excruciating journey, my anger at what I have seen, and the R&R position caused me great conflict, especially as a choleric who already was hot blooded.  The SV position explained the situation to me and brought with it some peace.  I apologize for the choppy sentences, I don't wish to comment much on this thread, but felt I should throw my two cents in, for what it's worth.

Anyway, what do you think? Is it easier for converts to accept the hard reality of sedevacantism?

Yes, I think it is easier for neophytes and converts to accept the error of sedevacantism, and as evidenced by this thread and the vast majority of my interactions online, there are far too many converts who spew vitriolic, wicked accusations at our One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. You're even worse than the NO neophytes and converts, because they do not attempt to cast doubt on the Church's hierarchy and their errors can easily be discovered by studying the Catechism. But you, Sede Schismatic, try to draw people away from the Church, manipulating others with your false piety and self-confessed "love of the papacy," which is clearly insincere based on how you speak of other Catholics and the Church.


God Bless RomanTheo, for braving the troubled waters of this place and refuting every sede argument, as well as inspiring me to reign in my own vices of curiosity and intellectual pride. I read every one of his posts and it is clear that even claiming that VII and the NO is "unCatholic" is an error. He pointed out that Sedevacantism was originally a Protestant argument and it makes complete sense because the vast majority of you sound like a prideful, scornful, Prot or Ortho, claiming you are the "true church" and the "church left you" (as though God would abandon His Church or the Papacy). The only word missing from your forked tongues is "Papist," but you essentially say the same thing when you cast the entire Novus Ordo church and parishioners as "not Catholic," speaking of them as though they're lower than you and your "special knowledge" (gnostic much?).


If you ever had the faith--and I doubt that given you're a convert--you have lost it and are causing scandal and division with your clearly heretical ideas. I'd rather attend the NO with meek and more-or-less humble parishioners than be associated with the likes of you.


I'm done with this place and all "Trad" circles online, done with grifter e-celebs profiting off the scandals, both self-made and exaggerated by effeminate pearl-clutchers, done clinging to my computer for some new Trad melodrama. EMJ was right, the TLM has been weaponized as a political football and most of you are playing your part in the Jєωιѕн power structure by smoking your hopium and isolating yourselves from your parishes, your Church, and your faith.

the TLM has been weaponized as a political football and most of you are playing your part in the Jєωιѕн power structure by smoking your hopium and isolating yourselves from your parishes, your Church, and your faith.

Hopium? We're not the ones associating with the Conciliar religion, "hoping" that we won't lose the Faith as so many countless Catholics have over the past 50 years.

But I think you're just throwing around words you've seen others use. As a matter of fact, it's quite odd to reproach Trads with having excessive hope. Usually they tend to the other end of that spectrum. But not Novus Ordo and Indult types -- they are, indeed, high on hopium. But they aren't Trad, not by anyone's estimation.

I know, Trads are awful, Trads like to fight a lot, a Trad firing squad takes the form of a circle, hardy-har-har, yadda yadda yadda.

But we Trads aren't the ones so proud that we place our souls in grave danger, proclaiming that despite tens of thousands of dead bodies on the battlefield, it won't happen to me! Talk about presumption, arrogance and pride.

That's called tempting God.

By accepting the new religion birthed at Vatican II, YOU are doing the Jєω's work.

Isolating from our "parishes" is the *only chance* to save our souls. It's the prudent, and the humble, thing to do.

Yes, I think it is easier for neophytes and converts to accept the error of sedevacantism, and as evidenced by this thread and the vast majority of my interactions online, there are far too many converts who spew vitriolic, wicked accusations at our One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. You're even worse than the NO neophytes and converts, because they do not attempt to cast doubt on the Church's hierarchy and their errors can easily be discovered by studying the Catechism. But you, Sede Schismatic, try to draw people away from the Church, manipulating others with your false piety and self-confessed "love of the papacy," which is clearly insincere based on how you speak of other Catholics and the Church.


God Bless RomanTheo, for braving the troubled waters of this place and refuting every sede argument, as well as inspiring me to reign in my own vices of curiosity and intellectual pride. I read every one of his posts and it is clear that even claiming that VII and the NO is "unCatholic" is an error. He pointed out that Sedevacantism was originally a Protestant argument and it makes complete sense because the vast majority of you sound like a prideful, scornful, Prot or Ortho, claiming you are the "true church" and the "church left you" (as though God would abandon His Church or the Papacy). The only word missing from your forked tongues is "Papist," but you essentially say the same thing when you cast the entire Novus Ordo church and parishioners as "not Catholic," speaking of them as though they're lower than you and your "special knowledge" (gnostic much?).


If you ever had the faith--and I doubt that given you're a convert--you have lost it and are causing scandal and division with your clearly heretical ideas. I'd rather attend the NO with meek and more-or-less humble parishioners than be associated with the likes of you.


I'm done with this place and all "Trad" circles online, done with grifter e-celebs profiting off the scandals, both self-made and exaggerated by effeminate pearl-clutchers, done clinging to my computer for some new Trad melodrama. EMJ was right, the TLM has been weaponized as a political football and most of you are playing your part in the Jєωιѕн power structure by smoking your hopium and isolating yourselves from your parishes, your Church, and your faith.

I haven't seen the E Michael Jones video yet (i've seen people talking about it in other places I'm in.)  But honestly I don't get this.  It seems manifest and clear to me that Francis and most (to be clear, not all, I think there's good bishops in the NO) of his hiearchy is in bed with the same world system you despise.

How can you be aware of the JQ, the NWO power structures, and still stay in the diocesan structure?  That I don't really get.

What's Roman Protestantism?

It means a Protestant attitude with an attachment to Roman Catholic beliefs and practices.

1) I remember what Fr Fenton said: we must respect the office of the Papacy even if the man in the office is heretical or false.


2) One thing I remember noticing about Catholics in my neighborhood apart from my mom's family: they seemed to have a blind, slavish belief that a Pope is to be obeyed no matter what. They gravely misunderstood the concept of infallibility but I didn't realize that until later. I think its why I had little trouble accepting SVism...I didn't grow up with their mindset.

1) When a man is manifestly heretical, like Jorge Bergoglio, he isn’t an officeholder. Respect for the office demands rejection of the notion that diabolical fiends like him can hold it.


2) It seems that many adopt this kind of blind, slavish notion of obedience out of comfort. It relieves them of the responsibility of doing any heavy reflection. Most people, I’m convinced, just really don’t want to think. Masked and/or vaxxed Covidiots prove this anew with each passing day.

Meaning.....?
Really, just get to the point and stop beating around the bush.

What's beating around the bush? A Protestant who wishes to convert but has a hangup over Papal primacy may find sedevacantism easier because papal primacy will have few practical consequences.