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Quote from: Ladislaus on Yesterday at 03:53:12 PMhttps://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/what-if-there-had-never-been-a-novus-ordo/msg886978/?topicseen#msg886978So, to answer the question, had God not permitted Vatican II, the corruption of Modernist doctrine would have continued to spread, but God allowed it to help wake some people up, those who became Traditional Catholics. And yet, we have Traditional Catholics who have not learned the lesson and are falling back asleep. We see the neo-SSPX slouching back toward Vatican II, and we have the vast majority of Traditional Catholics STILL oblivious to the erroneous and heretical theological developments of the 1950s (and before) regarding ecclesiology and EENs dogma. We have a similar secondary "awakening" being willed by God, where the arrival of Jorge is waking people up to the problem of Vatican II ... although others are refusing this second wakeup call also.
I do understand all this when reminded, and I guess my statements in the prior thread still stem from a trained worldly tendency to focus first on particulars, how one gets from point A to B, from B to C, and so on, rather than starting from the overarching Truth that drives it all.A general question, then: Does God's permissive will operate according to the ends, or upon the means as well? So long as we do awaken and learn our necessary lesson, are the possible correctives delimited only by the fact that God never allows us to suffer more than we can each endure? (I know about Job, but Job was comparably more righteous and perhaps less in need of such lessons himself.) The NOM and V2 are obvious and significantly affect nearly everyone alive since then, yet in any Catholic's mortal life there are particular circuмstances according to each person's freely willed movement toward salvation (or not, and also including all iterations of grace).I did a keyword search here and didn't readily find an answer. Is there some other recommendable source that discusses this?
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Let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things pass away: God never changes. Patience obtains all things. He who has God finds he lacks nothing; God alone suffices. - St. Teresa of Jesus
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