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Offline Telling

Sede-Vacantism and Ecclesia-Vacantism.
« on: September 14, 2026, 10:52:31 PM »
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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Sede-Vacantism and Ecclesia-Vacantism.
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2026, 11:16:49 PM »

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Hence, if it is true that all the popes of the last 62 years have all been heretics, it necessarily follows that all their appointments are invalid
Wrong.  
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Offline Telling

Re: Sede-Vacantism and Ecclesia-Vacantism.
« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2026, 11:31:20 PM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on September 14, 2026, 11:16:49 PM
Wrong. 
So address the Theological Proofs given in the Article: https://onepeterfive.com/sedevacantists-church-without-pope/

Another objection: Would papal jurisdiction be supplied to the “heretic anti-pope (HAP) for his appointments?” Not so. For cuм Ex – the one docuмent on a heretical pontiff in Church history, which the earlier sedevacantists especially appealed to — explicitly says that those “appointed” by a heretic lack all authority. Those apparently “appointed” by heretics are not appointed at all [1].

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[1] cuм Ex Apostolatus Officio: “[E[ach and all of their words, deeds, actions and enactments, howsoever made, and anything whatsoever to which these may give rise, shall be without force and shall grant no stability whatsoever nor any right to anyone[.]”



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Offline DecemRationis

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Re: Sede-Vacantism and Ecclesia-Vacantism.
« Reply #3 on: Yesterday at 06:45:40 AM »
Quote from: Telling on September 14, 2026, 11:31:20 PM
So address the Theological Proofs given in the Article: https://onepeterfive.com/sedevacantists-church-without-pope/

Another objection: Would papal jurisdiction be supplied to the “heretic anti-pope (HAP) for his appointments?” Not so. For cuм Ex – the one docuмent on a heretical pontiff in Church history, which the earlier sedevacantists especially appealed to — explicitly says that those “appointed” by a heretic lack all authority. Those apparently “appointed” by heretics are not appointed at all [1].

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[1] cuм Ex Apostolatus Officio: “[E[ach and all of their words, deeds, actions and enactments, howsoever made, and anything whatsoever to which these may give rise, shall be without force and shall grant no stability whatsoever nor any right to anyone[.]”


Right. We are in the Great Apostasy. The hierarchy has been emptied of it's charism of authority to speak for God. It's an empty shell waiting to be crushed. It deceives and roils in its deception, awaiting judgment. 
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Offline InNomineDomini

Re: Sede-Vacantism and Ecclesia-Vacantism.
« Reply #4 on: Yesterday at 09:30:25 AM »
Quote from: Telling on September 14, 2026, 11:31:20 PM
So address the Theological Proofs given in the Article: https://onepeterfive.com/sedevacantists-church-without-pope/

Another objection: Would papal jurisdiction be supplied to the “heretic anti-pope (HAP) for his appointments?” Not so. For cuм Ex – the one docuмent on a heretical pontiff in Church history, which the earlier sedevacantists especially appealed to — explicitly says that those “appointed” by a heretic lack all authority. Those apparently “appointed” by heretics are not appointed at all [1].

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[1] cuм Ex Apostolatus Officio: “[E[ach and all of their words, deeds, actions and enactments, howsoever made, and anything whatsoever to which these may give rise, shall be without force and shall grant no stability whatsoever nor any right to anyone[.]”

cuм Ex is overrated in the Sede world. It was not a doctrinal declaration but rather a juridical one and was abrogated by the 1917 code of Canon Law. I believe canon 188.4 makes reference to it, but it is no longer a binding docuмent legally speaking. 
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