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Re: Sede bishop begins to "work" towards electing a true Roman Pontiff...
« Reply #91 on: January 28, 2026, 08:16:41 PM »
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  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH6j8GOgwjw

    +Sanborn answering the question about +Roy and the imperfect council starts around 44:20

    His answer will make more than a few of you VERY happy - for several different reasons.

    Enjoy.


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    Re: Sede bishop begins to "work" towards electing a true Roman Pontiff...
    « Reply #92 on: January 28, 2026, 08:46:47 PM »
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  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH6j8GOgwjw

    +Sanborn answering the question about +Roy and the imperfect council starts around 44:20

    His answer will make more than a few of you VERY happy - for several different reasons.

    Enjoy.
    Does bishop Sanborn believe that Prevost is a Catholic pope and the bishops of the Novus Ordo religion are Catholic bishops?

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    Re: Sede bishop begins to "work" towards electing a true Roman Pontiff...
    « Reply #93 on: January 28, 2026, 09:27:27 PM »
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  • Does bishop Sanborn believe that Prevost is a Catholic pope and the bishops of the Novus Ordo religion are Catholic bishops?
    No.

    But you need 2 years of seminary philosophy according to him in order to better understand the Thesis...

    I consider it to be a hybrid between R&R and Totalism.

    Though to be fair, they have put a great amount of time into THIS


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    Re: Sede bishop begins to "work" towards electing a true Roman Pontiff...
    « Reply #94 on: January 29, 2026, 12:12:03 AM »
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  • No.

    But you need 2 years of seminary philosophy according to him in order to better understand the Thesis...

    I consider it to be a hybrid between R&R and Totalism.

    Though to be fair, they have put a great amount of time into THIS


    Can a known Lutheran, Aglican or Modernist be elevated as pope, consecrated a bishop or ordained a priest in the Catholic Church?  Isn't modernism the synthesis of all heresies and condemned by the Church?


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    Re: Sede bishop begins to "work" towards electing a true Roman Pontiff...
    « Reply #95 on: January 29, 2026, 06:28:25 AM »
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  • Can a known Lutheran, Aglican or Modernist be elevated as pope, consecrated a bishop or ordained a priest in the Catholic Church? 

    Isn't modernism the synthesis of all heresies and condemned by the Church?
    #1 - No.
    #2 - Yes.

    Don't think I subscribe to the Thesis - I think it is bonkers - but then again - I am not a
    normalien, agrégé, a classically trained theologian, a lecturer at the Pontifical Lateran University in Rome and a member of the Pontifical Academy of Saint Thomas Aquinas  - such as was +Michel-Louis Guérard des Lauriers

    When I think of R&R, I think of it as a meat cleaver.

    When I think of Sedeprivtionism I think of a scalpel.

    You could use either one to field dress a wild boar...


    But neither one is really the right tool for the whole job.





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  • I'm not a sedevacantist myself, but I'll say this --

    Conclavist sedevacantists (those who take action(s) toward electing a Pope) have more respect in my eyes than the "68 years without a Pope? No problem! We don't need a pope anyway!" sedevacantists.

    Don't get me wrong -- individual sedevacantist Catholics have no power one way or the other. It's just their opinion, remember? So I'm not criticizing THEM.

    But these formal "You're Traditional Catholic? Not good enough. Now become SEDEVACANTIST Traditional Catholic, and start attending exclusive chapels that hold that position!" groups who act like

    A) Sedevacantism is important enough to be your IDENTITY, to determine WHERE YOU GO TO MASS, but
    B) We're not going to fix the fact we don't have a Pope. It's only been 68 years without a Pope -- we'll be fine!

    Those two things don't go together, in my opinion.

    In other words, NON-CONCLAVIST sedevacantist GROUPS are a joke. I would even call it a GRIFT. What do they accomplish, besides needless division, done solely to pad their pockets and lock in their "customers"? What do they REALLY add to the "Traditional Catholic" package, that a Catholic couldn't get from some Resistance independent chapel?

    Both have the same Faith. Both have the same devotions. Both have the Tridentine Mass. Both have 100% valid ordinations, traditional priestly training, etc. Both don't concern themselves with getting permission from the Modernists.
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  • B) We're not going to fix the fact we don't have a Pope. It's only been 68 years without a Pope -- we'll be fine!

    So ... that's not really accurate.  Two problems here.

    1) Nobody says "we'll be fine" without a legitimate Pope.  YOU, the R&R, don't say we'll be fine even WITH these current Conciliar popes ... except for the likes of a +Fellay, who's accepted this as the new normal.  Only his ilk among R&R would say "we'll be fine", but none of the Resistance types think this is anywhere near fine.

    2) Non-conclavist sedevacantists don't say that we ARE NOT going to fix this, as you claim, but only that we CAN NOT fix this, that it's out of our hands, barring divine intervention.

    So that puts us in the same boat as the non-Fellay-ite R&R who just like you realize that things WILL NOT BE FINE, whether we have "no Pope" or we have these garbage Modernist "Popes", we'll not be fine.  In fact, what's the difference?  So it's better to have a destroyer Pope who teaches poison, destroys faith and morals, who wrecks Catholic piety by imposing this garbage Protestant excuse for a Mass?  That's akin to what people cynically will say about government, when it shuts down, that we're better off without government open.  Same thing here, where we could rightly say, to Our Lord, "Well, with Popes like this, thanks, but no thanks.  We'll take our chances without them."  What exactly puts you in a superior position that way.

    YOU say we CANNOT elect a Pope because there already is one and there's nothing we can do to get rid of him.

    Sedeprivationists say we CANNOT elect a Pope because, even though he's lost his authority, he legally holds the office and there's nothing we can do to get rid of him.

    (Many) Non-Conclavist Totalist Sedevacantists say we CANNOT elect a Pope because in the current situation we simply cannot convene an Imperfect Council that would come anywhere close to representing the universality of the Church and to gain universal acceptance because ... many non-Conclavist sedevacantists believe that there are many R&R Catholics who are still Catholic, despite their error, Sedeprivationists who are nevertheless Catholic, and even man in the Conciliar Church and Eastern Rites who are still Catholics, and almost none of them will accept the results of a Sedevacantist "Imperfect Council".

    So, while there are different reasons given for why we CANNOT elect a Pope, given the current situation, we all just agree that we CANNOT, not the false strawman of just we WILL NOT because we don't really need a Pope.  Nobody except a +Fellay or the Motarians would say that.  Those think we just need the current administration to make some course corrections.

    Where the Conclavists differ is in the reason they think they CAN, and the only way you can believe that you CAN is because you consider anyone who's R&R or ALL Conciliar Catholics and ALL Eastern Rite Catholics to be non-Catholic and therefore "don't count" and so that your "Imperfect Council" consisting of a couple dozen +Thuc line bishops DOES IN FACT provide a UNIVERSAL REPRESENTATION of the ENTIRE CHURCH.  That's a position almost everyone else considers to be schismatic.

    As I pointed out ...

    1) even if 2% of Conciliar Catholics are still actually Catholic, you're talking FIFTY MILLION
    2) then you have SEVENTEEN MILLION Eastern Rite Catholics
    3) then you have about 650K SSPX / R&R

    Sedevacantists?  30,000 maybe, and of those you'd be lucky if half of them think a papal election is remotely feasible.

    So 15,000 (with their couple dozen bishops) can represent the Universal Church and elect a Pope? 

    Now, even if you could exclude all the millions in the Conciliar Church and the Eastern Rite, there's still that nagging problem of the 650K SSPX types, as well as sedeprivationists, and then those Totalist types who agree with me that you can't just exclusde all thoes people and pretend that YOU ARE the Church.


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    Thank you SRC for your Reply #91 with the link to Bishop Sanborn’s Q&A on YouTube.  
      His attitude toward the calling of an “imperfect council” leaves others asking, “has he lost the sense that the Church is built on Peter?”
      Even St. Paul, in Galatians 2:1 writes that after fourteen years of preaching he went up to Jerusalem to confer with the other Apostles of his Gospel “lest perhaps in vain I should run or had run.”
      The note in Rheims New Testament 
    says: The approbation of St. Paul’s doctrine by Peter and the rest, was very requisite.”
      What will  the laity that are in Bishop Sanborn’s “lifeboat” think when they see the attitude of the Bishop toward the necessity of: 1. Conferring with the other clergy? and: 2. a Pope?
      We pray that he will do the right thing and say with St. Paul “And I went up according to revelation: and confer with them the Gospel which I preach… lest perhaps in vain I should run or had run.”