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Offline Yeti

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Re: Sede bishop begins to "work" towards electing a true Roman Pontiff...
« Reply #60 on: January 18, 2026, 04:17:17 PM »
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  • And what do you think that would look like?
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    Yes, this is definitely absurd. He is trying to make a distinction between what we have now and what would be obviously contrary to the Faith.

    Well, Vatican 2 and the aberrations of the last 60 years including ecuмenism, the Novus Ordo, and so on are obviously against the Faith. If they weren't, we would all be participating in such things. 

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    Re: Sede bishop begins to "work" towards electing a true Roman Pontiff...
    « Reply #61 on: January 18, 2026, 06:22:03 PM »
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  • What is this aburd insistence on requiring a solution of human making?  Both in this video, and from Bishop Roy?  God is teaching us a lesson with this fragmentation about how critical the Papacy is to the Church.  There's much prophecy about how it's only when everything appears (naturally speaking) to be lost that God will miraculously turn the Church around.  Apostles all thought that all was lost after Our Lord's Crucifixion.  So, because we need a solution, should they have gone to the tomb and started CPR?  Even though, for all practical intents and purposes, you know it wouldn't work?  Should they have gone to the tomb and try to raise Our Lord back to life themselves?  Well, if they had to do that, then Our Lord's claims to be God would have been undermined, if He couldn't rise again under His own power.  So, too, with this Crisis, it will be PRECISELY the fact that this turnaround will be UNDENIABLY MIRACULOUS that the entire world will be converted to the One True Faith, as much Catholic prophecy has foretold.

    Yeah, OK ... we're not quietists where we lay back and do nothing, but we also don't start jumping up and down and stomping our feet about how we need a solution and then think by doing that we're going to get one either.

    There's absolutely NOTHING WRONG with ADMITTING that A SOLUTION TO THIS IS BEYOND US.  That's called HUMILITY, where we realized that we suck, that we're idiots, that we're sinners, bickering like a bunch of spoiled kids amongst ourselves, pathetic, losers ... and it's when we realize this and entrust ourselves to God that God will reach down and give us a hand.  "Help us, Lord, we perish."

    There's almost a hubris in believing we can work this thing out.

    AND, finally ... so is praying, sacrificing, and becoming holy ... is that doing nothing?  Isn't that the solution?  Isn't that what Our Lady told us would be the solution ... prayer and penance, and not Imperfect Councils and garage popes that just make us look like the morons that we are.  In fact, the Pope Michael and Pius XIII and Linus II, I welcome those debacles for making us look like the idiots that we are.

    So, then, given how we preach constantly about the Tradtional faith and the Tridentine Mass being the keys to holiness ... where are the Saints among the Trad clergy?  Oh, perhaps there are some religious or contemplatives or even lay faithful who are saints, but hidden to the world.  But where's a Padre Pio or St. John Vianney (3 of whom the devil said would have destroyed his Kingdom).

    So enough of the polemics and talk and theologizing and conclaves and stupidity ... we need saints.  THAT is the "SOLUTION", and Our Lady handed it to us, along with the Holy Rosary in particular in these last days.  God will take care of the details about whom to get a white cassock onto.
    Yes, among many, many, many ironies of modern life is the notion that Trads can fix the crisis.  It was this same notion that modernists used on 1960s Catholics, to usher in V2, which was supposed to “fix” the deepening divide between the Church and the world.  As if a council can fix any of that.  

    Councils are good things and necessary but declarations of dogma and of theological truth can’t fix spiritual problems (which is why Trent didn’t “fix” Protestantism).  So even if V2 wasn’t hijacked by modernists, the problems of the modern world would still exist.  

    So now, we have Trads using the modern/day “committee fix” which is the “answer” to most problems nowadays.  Committees never fix anything.  Neither do arguments.  Prayer does.  

    I wish all these Trad groups would start preaching simple stuff, like 1) say 3 rosaries a day, 2) go to first Saturday, etc.  Only Our Lady will solve this.  I thought Fatima was clear??


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    Re: Sede bishop begins to "work" towards electing a true Roman Pontiff...
    « Reply #62 on: January 19, 2026, 08:30:14 AM »
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  • If I understand what you mean by the "synthesis," the answer is to look at the arguments used by the Totalist Sedes to undermine the Thesis Sedes. And then look at the reply of the Thesis Sedes to the Totalist Sedes.

    A synthesis is not actually possible. One side ignores the valid evidence used by the other side against its position. The evidence each side uses against the other is incontrovertible. Those evidentiary claims are grounded in the first principles of Catholic jurisprudence and the canon law derived from those first principles. By denying those first principles, one negates the foundations of the law itself. Eventually they resort to "epikeia" or "salus animarum."
    Now I will suggest something truly insane...

    I mention this to you specifically, because you said that you did not believe JP2/BXVI did enough to be considered loss of office/outside the Church...

    Bugnolo found a loophole that the Modernists missed at the 2025 conclave - to many electors - this (he says) breaks JP2's rules for validity (go read for yourself HERE).

    Bugnolo's man (Hildebrand) may never get consecrated - but if he has a technical/legal argument for validity - he would still be Pope elect.

    And considering the circuмstances, he as Pope elect could call and imperfect council.

    The council would decide his fate.

    The council would re-elect him or choose another.

    Similar in some ways to the Great Western Schism.


    If the Thesis Sedes need a "material pope" "Pope Hildebrand Elect" can be your man!

    Oddly enough, Bugnolo may possess the key that could truly "unite the clans" :laugh1:

    But this is a serious suggestion - that I will throw out there for Bug.

    Hildebrand might call an imperfect council by sending letters to all traditional bishops explaining why he did what he did, the grounds for it, and when/where the council will be held. But, it seems $$$ is an issue, so if you see some anonymous donor fill his coffers that might also get something "cooking" on that front.
     

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    Re: Sede bishop begins to "work" towards electing a true Roman Pontiff...
    « Reply #63 on: January 19, 2026, 08:30:43 AM »
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  • .

    Yes, this is definitely absurd. He is trying to make a distinction between what we have now and what would be obviously contrary to the Faith.

    Well, Vatican 2 and the aberrations of the last 60 years including ecuмenism, the Novus Ordo, and so on are obviously against the Faith. If they weren't, we would all be participating in such things.

    You noticed he didn't answer that one too huh?

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    Re: Sede bishop begins to "work" towards electing a true Roman Pontiff...
    « Reply #64 on: January 19, 2026, 05:06:53 PM »
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  • To be fair, of course, Bishop Roy only went Partial Conclavist, since Full Conclavist actually means holding an election and then proclaiming the elected to be the legitimate Catholic Pope.


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    Re: Sede bishop begins to "work" towards electing a true Roman Pontiff...
    « Reply #65 on: January 19, 2026, 05:10:13 PM »
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  • Bugnolo found a loophole that the Modernists missed at the 2025 conclave - to many electors - this (he says) breaks JP2's rules for validity (go read for yourself HERE).

    Bugnolo's man (Hildebrand) may never get consecrated - but if he has a technical/legal argument for validity - he would still be Pope elect.

    Problem with Bugnolo's argument ...

    Popes are not bound by other Popes, and the will of the Pope is law.  That limit on 120 electors cannot bind any subsequent Pope.  Previous Popes cannot bind the current Pope, and the current Pope can't even bind himself.

    Since Bergs created 133 Electors (2 dropped for health reasons), Bergs intended that the limit be exceeded.

    As Father Cekada points out, where it comes to the Supreme Lawgiver, the Pope, he merely has to manifest his will.  To say that Bergoglio was constrained by Wojtyla's 120 Elector Limit is ... simply wrong.

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    Re: Sede bishop begins to "work" towards electing a true Roman Pontiff...
    « Reply #66 on: January 19, 2026, 07:17:34 PM »
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  • Problem with Bugnolo's argument ...

    Popes are not bound by other Popes, and the will of the Pope is law.  That limit on 120 electors cannot bind any subsequent Pope.  Previous Popes cannot bind the current Pope, and the current Pope can't even bind himself.

    Since Bergs created 133 Electors (2 dropped for health reasons), Bergs intended that the limit be exceeded.
    Here is what he says from his site,



    https://www.fromrome.info/2025/05/22/breaking-prevosts-election-invalidated-by-john-paul-ii-part-2/





    Who the Pope is would be considered a dogmatic fact. But with historically unprecendented irregularities in the election this can create uncertainty, irregularity, and even doubt.


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    Bishop Roy has said that we have problems in our families, country, churches and parishes, but that our main problem is that we don’t have the voice of Peter. The November 2025 issue of Bishop Pivarunas’ monthly “Adsum” tells that four bishops were at the October Fatima Conference in Spokane and Bishop Roy was one of the four. It tells that they discussed the crisis in the Church and that they are planning to meet again, soon.
     It can be understood that they have not only the support of their parishioners, but in certain cases a zealous push. This represents thousands of people. Has there been anything like it since V-2?
     There are many thousands of Catholics in the world that don’t submit to these V-2 “popes that need to know about what is happening here. If they too could push their clergy to participate…