It seems Conciliar bishops are only dictatorial when they are suspending Trad priests.

This Archbishop kindly asked his parishes to open their doors to support an effort he, and every Catholic, must support.

The lay woman "Pastoral Life Coordinator" (Yes..."Pastoral Life Coordinator), apparently in charge of St. Mary's (not the Pastor), kindly told the Archbishop to pound sand as she would do no such thing (after prayerful reflection).

???

And the Society is "disobedient"??

And when we bring this up the Neo-Cats will simply say, "well, it's no excuse for you to be disobedient too!"

The conciliar circus at work!  

http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2012/04/apparently-above-bishops-pay-grade.html#more

Apparently Above a Bishop's Pay Grade?

From the Seattle Times.

Two more Catholic parishes say no to Ref. 74 signature drive


A growing number of Seattle’s Catholic parishes are saying “no” to Archbishop J. Peter Sartain’s offer that churches become signature gathering points for Referendum 74, the ballot measure to roll back Washington’s recently passed same-sex marriage law.

St. Mary’s Parish in the Central Area, and the new, growing Christ Our Hope parish in downtown Seattle, are the latest to decide petitions won’t be circulated on their premises.

The decision at St. Mary’s was announced by pastoral life coordinator Tricia Wittman-Todd in a “Dear People of St. Mary’s” letter. She wrote.

“After much prayer and reflection, I have decided we will not collect signatures at the parish. I am certain you will find ample opportunity elsewhere to sign whatever petitions you choose.

“This decision is based on two primary considerations. St. Mary’s mission is ‘House of God, Home for Everyone.’ One of our highest values is inclusion and welcome. I fear that the collection of signatures would be hurtful and divisive to our parish. I am particularly concerned about our youth who may be questioning their own sɛҳuąƖ identity and need our support at this time in their lives.

“The second consideration is that as Catholics, each of us is asked to form our conscience and decide how to vote on this and other issues, i.e. tax policies, services to the poor, environmental laws, capital punishment, etc.”

St. James Cathedral, seat of the Seattle Archdiocese, told its parishoners Wednesday that it would not serve as a gathering point for anti-marriage equality petitions. St. Joseph Parish has said no petitions will be permitted on the church campus.

The spreading dissent — although couched in respectful terms — comes at a time when the Catholic hierarchy is asserting its authority.


Pope Benedict XVI, in a Holy Thursday sermon, took to task clergy who are advocating married priests and ordination of women, and called on priests to embrace the “radicalism of obedience.”

The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, in a proclamation this Thursday, called on priests, laypersons and parishes to join in a “great national campaign” to defend religious liberty, claiming it is “under attack, both at home and abroad.”

“Dioceses and parishes around the country could choose a date . . . for special events that would constitute a great national campaign of teaching and witness for religious liberty,” the bishops wrote. They charged:

“In an unprecedented way, the federal government will force religious institutions to facilitate and fund a product contrary to their own moral teaching and purport to define which religious institutions are ‘religious enough’ to merit protection of their religious liberty.”

In Seattle, it would appear, parishes are asserting liberty from instructions (or at least strong suggestions) by the hierarchy, and in a season when the Seattle Archdiocese is asking for support in its Annual Catholic Appeal fundraising drive.

Archbishop Sartain and Auxiliary Bishop Eusebio Elizondo, in a letter earlier this month, endorsed Referendum 74. Opponents of same-sex marriage have until June 6 to collect 120,577 valid voter signatures to put the issue on November’s ballot.

The bishops, picking their words carefully, said they “have approved the gathering of signatures in our parishes over the next few months. Your pastors have received from us information regarding the signature drive . . .”

In the St. Mary’s letter, Wittman-Todd recognized an option to opt out of the marriage equality rollback campaign. She attached the Sartain-Elizondo letter, but then wrote:

“He (Sartain) has given permission to parishes to collect signatures for the Referendum and encouraged us to do so. He has also expressed that each parish leader must decide how best to proceed, given the pastoral considerations within the parish.”

The news of St. Mary’s saying no broke Thursday afternoon in The Stranger, which is finally discovering happenings in the Catholic Church of which it approves.

I'm like falling off the fence and onto the sede side. This is absolutely ridiculous.

How can bishops sack good priests (like Fr. Guarnizo), but allow this kind of stuff to go on?

Did the bishop order parishes to collect petition signatures?  If not, they are not being disobedient.  The question of why they would not want to do so even absent an order still remains, of course.

The only ones uncharitable are those who would aid and abet mortal sinners.

Sodomites will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven. And neither will those who cause scandal by telling them it is ok.

When you tell someone it is ok to be gαy, you are literally telling them with a smile on your face "Go to hell!"

Tertullian's "Apology", Chapter 39.7 (circa 200AD)
Full quote, in which Tertullian is describing how outsiders see the Christians, is as follows:

"Look," they say, "how they love one another" (for they themselves hate one another); "and how they are ready to die for each other" (for they themselves are readier to kill each other).

It's one thing to ask a Catholic to love people who act on same-sex attraction. It's another thing to ask them to approve. Which is what you're doing.

Keep an open mind.  You never know what might drop in.

http://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorialopinion/article/1161456--sharing-religious-insights-with-other-traditions-enriches-our-own-faith

You are an evil demented heretic who will burn in eternal hellfire if you do not repent.

The definition of an open mind is being open to the fact you may be wrong, perhaps hypocrites such as yourself should do that, since GOD is never wrong and demented idiots such as yourself always are.

You are not a Catholic, and you are angry that we are telling you that you are wrong. You then state we are wrong to tell you you are wrong by telling us we're wrong, which is the very defition of hypocrasy. Maybe you are mad that we are denouncing your own Sodomite relationship, since you keep posting links to Masonic media, perhaps you are worried that we'll win again(Which we always do) and close your gαy child molesting Masonic Lodge?

There must be some reason for your coming to a Catholic website and preaching your CONDEMNED garbage. You are not Catholic so... What is it?

LordsPam chastises me with the vehemence of his fraternal correction:  :devil2: I will do penance.  I will return to the the Shrine of Our Lady of Walsingham in Norfolk, be shriven at the Slipper Chapel and walk the Holy Mile to the Shrine barefoot, dodging the tacks that naughty children put down for the unwary pilgrim.  I will drink from the Holy Well.  In Our Lady`s Dowry, England, will I be saved from the horrors of hellfire.  And I thank LordsPam for his fraternal solicitude. [/quote]