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Re: Seal of Confession Broken by Catholic Priests
« Reply #30 on: July 07, 2018, 12:31:08 AM »
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  • And of course it is completely rational and prudent to avoid the priest until (if ever) you discover the answer.  I would, too, out of an abundance of caution.  And I would pray an awful lot about it.  But what troubles me about anyone experiencing any range of doubt about a confessor -- and especially if one assumes a report or rumor to be true, correctly or incorrectly -- is that it potentially jeopardizes one's relationship with any confessor.

    We Catholics are supposed to be able to trust that our sins are held in confidence, so I would be more concerned about resolving this one particular incident for my peace of mind.  The human mind being what it is, it would be very natural to unconsciously carry that lack of trust into one or many other confessionals, of various priests.  How unfortunate that would be for anyone's peace of mind and soul.  We should sense a freedom to disclose everything, because the Devil makes it hard enough as it is -- always tempting us to hold back.

    So I would nevertheless look for a priest I can trust --someone I feel quite comfortable with outside of the confessional -- and of him I would ask spiritual advice to deal with a feeling of betrayal.  A good priest will guide any sincere seeker carefully about such a sensitive issue.  

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    Re: Seal of Confession Broken by Catholic Priests
    « Reply #31 on: July 07, 2018, 02:11:03 AM »
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  • Seal of Confession Broken by Catholic Priests

    From the Voice of Bombay Laity, India

    https://mumbailaity.wordpress.com/2018/07/
    These were not Catholic priests.


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    Re: Seal of Confession Broken by Catholic Priests
    « Reply #32 on: July 07, 2018, 09:28:57 AM »
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  • There is always a question if one has not witnessed an event, a conversation, oneself.  I am not the one with "very little data."  You may have a fair amount of data, but your data is still second-hand.  Therefore, you may be right, or you may be wrong.  I do not have an opinion about what happened because I wasn't there.  Therefore, I am unlike however you falsely imagine I am like some woman or women at "your old sspx chapel."  I am simply not going to contribute to calumny or detraction or mere backbiting, and the same would happen to me in my own parish.  I refuse to condemn my priest for something reported to me by someone else. When I am concerned about something he has said to me or to someone else, I have approached him respectfully about it for clarification, even when what he said troubled me or made me nervous to talk about.  He is God's appointed minister.  Priests can be wrong, they can obviously err and obviously sin.  But, like all of us sinners and flawed people, they deserve to retain their good name until it can be verified that they do not deserve such a good name.

    In good faith, I prayed for you this evening at Mass, as I promised.  I appealed to the Sacred Heart on your account.  I'm sorry that you don't want my prayers and that your response to my offer is to "pity" me.  
    there is no question this priest violated confessional seal.

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    Re: Seal of Confession Broken by Catholic Priests
    « Reply #33 on: July 07, 2018, 09:31:01 AM »
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  • And of course it is completely rational and prudent to avoid the priest until (if ever) you discover the answer.  I would, too, out of an abundance of caution. And I would pray an awful lot about it.  But what troubles me about anyone experiencing any range of doubt about a confessor -- and especially if one assumes a report or rumor to be true, correctly or incorrectly -- is that it potentially jeopardizes one's relationship with any confessor.

    We Catholics are supposed to be able to trust that our sins are held in confidence, so I would be more concerned about resolving this one particular incident for my peace of mind.  The human mind being what it is, it would be very natural to unconsciously carry that lack of trust into one or many other confessionals, of various priests.  How unfortunate that would be for anyone's peace of mind and soul.  We should sense a freedom to disclose everything, because the Devil makes it hard enough as it is -- always tempting us to hold back.

    So I would nevertheless look for a priest I can trust --someone I feel quite comfortable with outside of the confessional -- and of him I would ask spiritual advice to deal with a feeling of betrayal.  A good priest will guide any sincere seeker carefully about such a sensitive issue.  
    It is unfortunate, but there is no question this priest violated confessional seal.
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    if you had all the data, you would agree.
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    I suggest you pray for this priest rather than wasting your time attempting to extrapolate, guess, draw conclusions and make recommendations.  
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    Re: Seal of Confession Broken by Catholic Priests
    « Reply #34 on: July 07, 2018, 10:52:33 PM »
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  • It is unfortunate, but there is no question this priest violated confessional seal.
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    if you had all the data, you would agree.
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    I suggest you pray for this priest rather than wasting your time attempting to extrapolate, guess, draw conclusions and make recommendations.  
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    These were not Catholic priests.


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    Re: Seal of Confession Broken by Catholic Priests
    « Reply #35 on: July 08, 2018, 02:28:35 AM »
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  • It is unfortunate, but there is no question this priest violated confessional seal.
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    if you had all the data, you would agree.
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    I suggest you pray for this priest rather than wasting your time attempting to extrapolate, guess, draw conclusions and make recommendations.  
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    Neither you nor I have "all the data."  We both have a hearsay report.  
    As to prayer, whenever we have been wronged by anyone --or perceive we have been wronged by someone, or assume we have been wronged -- the appropriate action is for the supposedly wronged person (you, in this case, not I) to do reparation for the assumed guilty party.  This is not something coming from me, but what my trad priest recently told me, and I had forgotten about that with regard to priests especially, although I learned it long ago.  (I had told him something that a priest once did long ago, directly to me, in my presence -- not a hearsay accusation when the priest could not defend himself.)  My current priest correctly enjoined me to do reparation for that other priest because I was the wronged party, and there would be (thus) graces attached to my prayers of reparation more than those offered by strangers.
    I did, however, pray for your priest at Mass.  I'm sure my prayers are not as efficacious as yours, and I'm glad you are also praying for him.

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    Re: Seal of Confession Broken by Catholic Priests
    « Reply #36 on: July 08, 2018, 09:01:49 AM »
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  • Neither you nor I have "all the data."  We both have a hearsay report.  
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    Once again, you are wrong.
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    I have all the data.  You don't, yet you insist on making assumptions, extrapolating and giving advice based on your imaginations which are flat out wrong.  I choose not to give you all the data because you don't need to know.  I assure you, all has been verified and the priest broke the confessional seal.
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    My only intent in posting was to show that breaking of the confessional seal happens in the USA, too.

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    Re: Seal of Confession Broken by Catholic Priests
    « Reply #37 on: July 08, 2018, 04:37:52 PM »
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  • ....
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    Listening device rumored here, too, in sspx chapels.
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    I noticed, once, at our fraternity of St. Peter chapel, which we haven't attended since being profiled, that women were kneeling near the confessionals, leaning to hear what was being said.  I also once saw a woman (who wrote a book on modesty that most families own) standing next to the open window of the confessional (on the priests side).   I yelled at her and she left.  I hope the priest heard me.
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    Maybe your "friend" got her info from the listening woman.


    Don't need to go all the way to India for that.
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    It happened to me, here in the USA, more than once.
    What sort of action have you taken or are you taking? If it's happening to you it may be happening to others.


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    Re: Seal of Confession Broken by Catholic Priests
    « Reply #38 on: July 09, 2018, 01:13:34 PM »
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  • Poche is right - the original article says the priests involved were part of the "Malankara Orthodox Church."  They are not Catholic.
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    Re: Seal of Confession Broken by Catholic Priests
    « Reply #39 on: July 10, 2018, 03:15:02 AM »
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  • It is certainly rare that trad priests break the seal of Confession stricto senso, but some of them speak much too loud when they give advice (which amounts to revealing one's sins in some way), and some others reveal the information given to them by their penitents outside the confessional.

    The first thing happened to me: a sedevacantist priest spoke too loud when he gave me advice and a nun heard my sins, or let's say the matter of my sins.

    In the SSPX chapel where I attend Mass, the confessional is in a closed room with a glass, which is very convenient.
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    Re: Seal of Confession Broken by Catholic Priests
    « Reply #40 on: July 10, 2018, 03:58:08 PM »
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  • For those who are familiar with the former satanist, now Catholic, Zachary King; he has reported that they have operatives in churches attempting to cause problems. Since he was raised Baptist, his role was to break up Baptist churches. However he reports that there were others assigned to break up Catholic churches or chapels. Just brainstorming here, wouldn't it be possible for them to do either of the possibilities mentioned in this thread, either:
    1. using a listening device or
    2. having someone listen outside the door
    and then they could use the information to MAKE IT APPEAR as if the priest violated the person's privacy when in actuality, an operative used the information in order to tell the person the info they had confided in the confessional. Some people would then lose their faith. Others would never trust the priest again. Very few people would go to the priest and say what is going on here, and even fewer would look for a concealed listening device or watch out for eavesdroppers.
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    Re: Seal of Confession Broken by Catholic Priests
    « Reply #41 on: July 11, 2018, 09:51:07 AM »
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  • For those who are familiar with the former satanist, now Catholic, Zachary King; he has reported that they have operatives in churches attempting to cause problems. Since he was raised Baptist, his role was to break up Baptist churches. However he reports that there were others assigned to break up Catholic churches or chapels. Just brainstorming here, wouldn't it be possible for them to do either of the possibilities mentioned in this thread, either:
    1. using a listening device or
    2. having someone listen outside the door
    and then they could use the information to MAKE IT APPEAR as if the priest violated the person's privacy when in actuality, an operative used the information in order to tell the person the info they had confided in the confessional. Some people would then lose their faith. Others would never trust the priest again. Very few people would go to the priest and say what is going on here, and even fewer would look for a concealed listening device or watch out for eavesdroppers.
    This actually makes a lot of sense to me, and is consistent with the way Satan works.  Thank you for this, Cara.

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    Re: Seal of Confession Broken by Catholic Priests
    « Reply #42 on: July 11, 2018, 03:12:17 PM »
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