Author Topic: Schiavo Again (Read 7775 times)

SJB · « **Reply #30 on:** April 21, 2012, 10:18:16 PM »

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Makes more sense youre a female.
Explains the overly emotional hysteria like attachment to this issue.

I'm a male, get that through your head.

Sorry.
Were it me, Id have your testoterone levels checked. Testosterone production and HGH production does down significantly after 30 years of age.
You seem overly emotional. Especially on these and other issues.

Yes, if it were me, I'd have YOUR testosterone levels checked. You are very emotional and irrational, John.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #31 on:** April 21, 2012, 10:20:28 PM »

Thank you SJB, for refuting John's slander of me.

Ambrose · « **Reply #32 on:** April 21, 2012, 11:12:59 PM »

http://rockcenter.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/12/23/9659886-could-sleeping-pill-ambien-awaken-man-from-vegetative-state

Telesphorus · « **Reply #33 on:** April 22, 2012, 01:29:27 AM »

The stomach tube is no more extraordinary than a necessary medicine, or a tracheotomy.

The support for the murder of Terry Schiavo indicates psychopathy.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #34 on:** April 22, 2012, 09:12:28 AM »

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Thanks for the link! I don't know if I agree with your conclusions, though.

You are welcome for the link and you are free and encouraged to draw your own conclusions.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #35 on:** April 22, 2012, 09:23:07 AM »

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Do you have $80,000 per year to spend on a vegetable?

Even if I do and am willing to do so, and even if I have $8 million set aside expressly for that very purpose, that is not germane to the present discussion.

Moreover, unless I am mistaken, her family was more than willing to cover the necessary costs.

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Your is a personal problem it sounds like.

While it is true that I do not hold Fr C in esteem for myriad reasons and have no problem saying so, my understanding of this matter and the truly repugnant nature of Fr C's manifestly-incorrect position happens to be in agreement with many others at whom you cannot throw such a meaningless, impotent comment designed to muddy the waters. He was wrong and the vast majority of the Catholic world knows it; only the blindest of sycophants still fail to see and accept the reality of the situation.

JohnChrysostom · « **Reply #36 on:** April 22, 2012, 10:38:46 AM »

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Do you have $80,000 per year to spend on a vegetable?

Even if I do and am willing to do so, and even if I have $8 million set aside expressly for that very purpose, that is not germane to the present discussion.

Moreover, unless I am mistaken, her family was more than willing to cover the necessary costs.

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Your is a personal problem it sounds like.

While it is true that I do not hold Fr C in esteem for myriad reasons and have no problem saying so, my understanding of this matter and the truly repugnant nature of Fr C's manifestly-incorrect position happens to be in agreement with many others at whom you cannot throw such a meaningless, impotent comment designed to muddy the waters. He was wrong and the vast majority of the Catholic world knows it; only the blindest of sycophants still fail to see and accept the reality of the situation.

It IS Germaine, when the Public is Paying for such care.

Liberals like you have no limitations with regard to money and care, provided it is Other peoples money, ie Those of us that actually work for a living.

The Care you mention cost the public over $750,000 per year subsidized BY Medicaid, paid BY all of us that pay insurance premiums to have health insurance.
No wonder costs increase annually, and level of care goes down.
Patient care at the hospice where Terri lived cost 80,000 per year and was paid by the Tax paying public, Not her family.
"For two years, Medicaid has covered other medical costs, including prescription drugs, the attorneys have said in published reports."
The malpractice lawsuit helped to finance her carfe as well.

"Medicaid's share of Schiavo's care "is a big chunk," said Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-Fla.), who until this year was involved in the case as a state senator. "
The Hospice of the Florida Suncoast Inc., which operates Woodside, was cited in 1996 for nearly $15 million in payments for ineligible beneficiaries and patients who may not have been terminally ill.

The reality of all of this is that You and others, still wont address any real pertinant issues that I brought forth, which doesnt surprise me, as youre Cowards.

Ms. Terri Schiavo's Wish, made Publically to 3 Family Members including her Brother prior to her Coma, was NOT to have her life preserved via artifical Machinery.

Why would you or anyone so dishonor her, by demanding she live a life only provided by such machines? Why wouldyou betray Her public wish?

Ive read your posts Mr. Gladius, and come to the conclusion that You are a Judas....doing his work, not for money but for terrible pride and ego, the devils work.
As I see it, you are a betrayer, a gossip telling liar, terrible sinner and overall evil wicked person, and should be excommunicated for your calumny.
Were there a visible Church, such would be the case, and we would all be the better for it.
You are a sad and pathetic man, Gladius. It is Sunday, and that is the Nicst thing that I can say to you and about you.

JohnChrysostom · « **Reply #37 on:** April 22, 2012, 10:50:22 AM »

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The stomach tube is no more extraordinary than a necessary medicine, or a tracheotomy.

The support for the murder of Terry Schiavo indicates psychopathy.

The 'tube' you describe was the one Ms. Schiavo Made Clear to 3 Family members that she would NOT wish to have her life preserved On, You hypocrite.

Her care required a Hospice which cost the public $80,000 per year, which was subsidized by Medicare/US Public.

She could not clean herself, wipe herself, move herself, feed herself, medicate herself, and was in a vegetative state.

Whether she was or wasnt a vegetable, is an argument for тαℓмυdic Jєωs.
The more discerning amongst us, know that she made directives TO Family Members to Not be kept alive on any machinery.

Do NOT dishonor her or other loved ones wishes with your selfish ideals and overly moralistic drama of what is and is not right.

None of you give a dam* about the 1 million innoent people the USA has killed in Iraq or 1 million Afgani women and children we have killed there either.
Most of you hypocrites make me sick.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #38 on:** April 22, 2012, 10:58:36 AM »

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None of you give a dam* about the 1 million innoent people the USA has killed in Iraq or 1 million Afgani women and children we have killed there either.

Why do you think this? It happens to have nothing to do with this thread and is also manifestly false. If you'd care to discuss it further, it'd be best to open a new, separate thread. If you do so, it is likely that you will be quickly made aware that your accusation is contrary to truth and charity, and even basic decency.

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Most of you hypocrites make me sick.

Why only "most"? Is there some brand of hypocrite or hypocrisy that does not make you sick?

JohnChrysostom · « **Reply #39 on:** April 22, 2012, 11:03:13 AM »

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None of you give a dam* about the 1 million innoent people the USA has killed in Iraq or 1 million Afgani women and children we have killed there either.

Why do you think this? It happens to have nothing to do with this thread and is also manifestly false. If you'd care to discuss it further, it'd be best to open a new, separate thread. If you do so, it is likely that you will be quickly made aware that your accusation is contrary to truth and charity, and even basic decency.

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Most of you hypocrites make me sick.

Why only "most"? Is there some brand of hypocrite or hypocrisy that does not make you sick?

Because Ive followed this forum for more than a few years.
No one gives a damn, least of all, you.
Youre too busy trying to pass indictments and sentences for priests you have personal issues with, like them not hiring you.
You give new meaning to the term Judas.

And Now you actually have the gall to even mention charity and decency?
You are shameless. Truly.

Maybe Israel would be a more appropriate permanent destination for you. You would fit in quite well Im sure, could be Kibbutzing with fellow apostates in no time.

There are Some decent catholics and fellow humans here.
The rest slither here, telling lies, engaging in calumny, deceit, and do Marxs work as agents ala Bella Dodd. They know who they are.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #40 on:** April 22, 2012, 11:08:31 AM »

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The reality of all of this is that You and others, still wont address any real pertinant issues that I brought forth, which doesnt surprise me, as youre Cowards.

While you are welcome to this opinion, it is false. We've gone over this issue many times before you were here. It has been discussed in depth and in detail both here and elsewhere. I, for one, simply have little interest in reliving a hot-button issue the repeated discussion of which does little more than get people unnecessarily and unprofitably fired up -- which is clearly happening in your case. If you prefer to see us as cowards, so be it. Perhaps your time would be put to better use in another pursuit or on another forum?

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Ive read your posts Mr. Gladius, and come to the conclusion that You are a Judas....doing his work, not for money but for terrible pride and ego, the devils work.
As I see it, you are a betrayer, a gossip telling liar, terrible sinner and overall evil wicked person, and should be excommunicated for your calumny.

Again, you are welcome to your opinion and I shan't enter into an exchange about it at this time or in this thread. You are not the first to say such things to me; it is very likely that you will not be the last. Perhaps some of what you say is true; perhaps none of it is. That said, it is absolutely certain that I a sinner and a terrible one, but that is something I address with God, who alone is able to help me in that regard. Pax tecuм.

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You are a sad and pathetic man, Gladius. It is Sunday, and that is the Nicst thing that I can say to you and about you.

It IS Sunday and I wish you and yours a peaceful, spiritually-profitable one, your feelings about me aside.

JohnChrysostom · « **Reply #41 on:** April 22, 2012, 11:12:23 AM »

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The reality of all of this is that You and others, still wont address any real pertinant issues that I brought forth, which doesnt surprise me, as youre Cowards.

While you are welcome to this opinion, it is false. We've gone over this issue many times before you were here. It has been discussed in depth and in detail both here and elsewhere. I, for one, simply have little interest in reliving a hot-button issue the repeated discussion of which does little more than get people unnecessarily and unprofitably fired up -- which is clearly happening in your case. If you prefer to see us as cowards, so be it. Perhaps your time would be put to better use in another pursuit or on another forum?

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Ive read your posts Mr. Gladius, and come to the conclusion that You are a Judas....doing his work, not for money but for terrible pride and ego, the devils work.
As I see it, you are a betrayer, a gossip telling liar, terrible sinner and overall evil wicked person, and should be excommunicated for your calumny.

Again, you are welcome to your opinion and I shan't enter into an exchange about it at this time or in this thread. You are not the first to say such things to me; it is very likely that you will not be the last. Perhaps some of what you say is true; perhaps none of it is. That said, it is absolutely certain that I a sinner and a terrible one, but that is something I address with God, who alone is able to help me in that regard. Pax tecuм.

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You are a sad and pathetic man, Gladius. It is Sunday, and that is the Nicst thing that I can say to you and about you.

It IS Sunday and I wish you and yours a peaceful, spiritually-profitable one, your feelings about me aside.

Still wont address my issues, the real issues, like her explicit directives TO 3 Family Members to NOT be on and machines for life support.

Now you call it reliving a hot button? For GODs sake man, it was her Wish, and it was never mentioned here on this forum, or in any media among the pro lifers that dont mind killing millions of brown people, but took issue with Schiavo.

I cant debate facts, facts are not debatable.

Ive seen you in action here on this forum Mr Gladius.
Your actions make Saul Alinsky and Bella Dodd blush.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #42 on:** April 22, 2012, 11:27:36 AM »

John,

I think we are agreed that neither your opinion of me as a man nor my opinion of Fr C as a man has anything to do with the topic that is the focus of this thread. You think I am wrong; I think he is wrong. C'est la vie.

If you and others wish to discuss this case, that is your and their prerogative. I have already done so and do not feel the need to do so again. Conclude from that whatever you wish. For my part, sir, I wish you well.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #43 on:** April 22, 2012, 11:47:32 AM »

Why are we all wasting time on John, who violates forum rules with his uncharitable behavior? Just leave him to himself and ignore him.

JohnChrysostom · « **Reply #44 on:** April 22, 2012, 11:54:41 AM »

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John,

I think we are agreed that neither your opinion of me as a man nor my opinion of Fr C as a man has anything to do with the topic that is the focus of this thread. You think I am wrong; I think he is wrong. C'est la vie.

If you and others wish to discuss this case, that is your and their prerogative. I have already done so and do not feel the need to do so again. Conclude from that whatever you wish. For my part, sir, I wish you well.

Actually I think it has everything to do with this thread. Almost anyway.

This thread is about Ego, Pride, Vanity and denigrating a Priest who had an educated opinion based on years of training learned At the SPPX Seminary, that others here disagreed with, and that became the battle cry to rally the posse and smear away.

Life by means of machinery is a question we all ponder and make. Its Not necessarily GODLY, and is not morally obligatory.
It is not about right or wrong, but moral and immoral according TO GOD's law, facts and human dignity according to ones wishes and directives to family members.
I dont wish to ever have my life sustained via machinery, Any machinery and gave my family that directive.
I dont expect my parents to intervene and usurp my wifes role if they disagree with her, if she becomes a sinner, or makes poor life decisions.

The only issue that I can see any sane merit, and one not discussed, is whether one suspends life provided BY machinery, ONCE the machinery is the viable and only means of support, and has already been given.
However, that too, went against Ms. Schiavos directives and wishes.

Mr. Gladius,
You worked tirelessly in trying to destroy an entire Parish, one where people made life decisions to travel interstate, move and relocate their lives and careers.
You aired dirty laundry publically, (some perhaps true but most not true), only to make a point and to spite a man that refused to hire you, and forbid your presence, and for no other reason than that, you worked unsuccessfully to destroy that man and that Parish.

Maybe GOD can forgive you, but I cannot. Anyone that would do such a thing is a wicked and vile person, that I cannot call a man.
I too wish you well, in the same sense I wished Judas well, on his road to Hell.
May GOD have mercy on you, for the damage you caused to a Priest that has worked trielessly to defend our Faith, our Mass, to offer Sacraments, to give his life for Trads.
If anyone were to ever do such a thing to any Parish, in any Rite, any affiliation whether Sede, SPPX, SPPV, Independent, Feenyite et al, that person is abomitable.