Author Topic: Schiavo Again (Read 18926 times)

JohnChrysostom · « **Reply #60 on:** April 23, 2012, 11:28:32 AM »

If this is not a machine, than I dont know what a machine is.

'A Machine is a tool consisting of one or more parts that is constructed to achieve a particular goal. Machines are powered devices, usually mechanically.'

'A persistent Vegetative state is a disorder of consciousness in which patients with severe brain damage are in a state of partial arousal rather than true awareness.
It is a diagnosis of some uncertainty in that it deals with a syndrome. After four weeks in a vegetative state (VS), the patient is classified as in a persistent vegetative state. This diagnosis is classified as a permanent vegetative state (PVS) after approximately 1 year of being in a vegetative state.'[1]

SJB · « **Reply #61 on:** April 23, 2012, 11:58:55 AM »

Quote from: Cupertino

Quote from: On April 20th, SJB
I am answering you, Cupertino, on a discussion forum. This issue has been discussed before in detail (much like the feeneyite discussions) and then you pop in and defend the indefensible. Then you whine when we call you on it.

If you want to defend Fr. Cekada's scandalous position (and behavior) on this issue, then expect to be challenged.

Likewise, expect to be challenged.

Now, what do you say, SJB, to the question whether Terry Schiavo was capable (without any artificial means of tube feeding), of getting enough hydration per day to prevent inevitable dehydration, as well as enough nutrition?

Yes, No, or "I don't know"?

If "Yes", give support for what you say.

Quote from: Fr. Iscara

To counter these conclusions, we are convinced that the provision of food and fluids is not simply —or strictly — "medical care," but the minimum care that must be provided for the sick, whatever their medical condition. All beings need food and water to live, but such nourishment by itself does not heal or cure disease. In consequence, to stop feeding the permanently unconscious patient is not to withdraw from the battle against illness, but simply to withhold the nourishment that sustains all life.

Moreover, to withdraw the artificial provision of food and fluids is not simply "to allow the patient to die" : what we are doing is not to cease a treatment against disease, but to withdraw what is essential to sustain the life of every human being, either healthy or ill. Death will happen, not because of the illness, but because of our omission to provide adequate nutrition and hydration.

SJB · « **Reply #62 on:** April 23, 2012, 12:07:47 PM »

Quote from: Crazy Usher John

You still defy me ...

Who writes like this other than a delusional person?

SJB · « **Reply #63 on:** April 23, 2012, 12:56:41 PM »

From Fr. Stephanich, The Four Marks, 2008

Canute · « **Reply #64 on:** April 23, 2012, 01:07:24 PM »

Quote from: SJB

Quote from: Cupertino
Quote from: On April 20th, SJB
I am answering you, Cupertino, on a discussion forum. This issue has been discussed before in detail (much like the feeneyite discussions) and then you pop in and defend the indefensible. Then you whine when we call you on it.

If you want to defend Fr. Cekada's scandalous position (and behavior) on this issue, then expect to be challenged.

Likewise, expect to be challenged.

Now, what do you say, SJB, to the question whether Terry Schiavo was capable (without any artificial means of tube feeding), of getting enough hydration per day to prevent inevitable dehydration, as well as enough nutrition?

Yes, No, or "I don't know"?

If "Yes", give support for what you say.

Quote from: Fr. Iscara
To counter these conclusions, we are convinced that the provision of food and fluids is not simply —or strictly — "medical care," but the minimum care that must be provided for the sick, whatever their medical condition. All beings need food and water to live, but such nourishment by itself does not heal or cure disease. In consequence, to stop feeding the permanently unconscious patient is not to withdraw from the battle against illness, but simply to withhold the nourishment that sustains all life.

Moreover, to withdraw the artificial provision of food and fluids is not simply "to allow the patient to die" : what we are doing is not to cease a treatment against disease, but to withdraw what is essential to sustain the life of every human being, either healthy or ill. Death will happen, not because of the illness, but because of our omission to provide adequate nutrition and hydration.

SBJ's quote does not answer Cupertino's question. It only tells us what Fr. Iscara is "convinced" of.

To repeat:

"Now, what do you say, SJB, to the question whether Terry Schiavo was capable (without any artificial means of tube feeding), of getting enough hydration per day to prevent inevitable dehydration, as well as enough nutrition?"