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Offline DeathWears A BlueBeret

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Re: Saying “No” to Crippled Religion
« Reply #30 on: May 30, 2021, 09:38:07 AM »
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  • Many priests build these cults around themselves.  Many are in fact drawn to the priesthood because they were failures in the world and in this way can feel as if they're bigshots.  
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    Re: Saying “No” to Crippled Religion
    « Reply #31 on: May 30, 2021, 09:41:19 AM »
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  • Exerpt from Rorate Caeli post paints a different picture:
    https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2021/05/the-wonderful-fssp-community-in-phoenix.html

    From a reader who would prefer to remain anonymous online:
     
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    I started going to Mater Misericordiae due to Taylor Marshall's push for people to go during the Advent of 2019, right before the pandemic. We went a few times, but mostly stuck to our Novis Ordo parish.

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    Then, the pandemic hit. I remember being at Mater and Fr. Passo stood up telling everyone, "If the Diocese forbids Communion on the tongue, we will not be able to offer Communion at all, as we do not permit our Blessed Lord to be given in the hand." And that stuck with me.

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    The pandemic raged for a while and our Novus Ordo church closed down without any real hope of it reopening. My wife gave birth to my second son and I knew getting him baptized would be a problem.

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    I made the executive decision to baptize him at home and then sent an email to Fr. Passo about having the rest of the rite done in the church when the pandemic was over.

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    He emailed me back and asked for my phone number, then called me to ask how I'd performed the baptism, told me it was a valid baptism and said that he would have done the baptism in the church had I called ahead of time.

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    This was March of 2020 when most churches wouldn't let people onto their property and Fr. Passo was still performing baptisms.

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    On April 3rd, 2020 (I just checked), we received an email. Fr. Passo was opening up his parish. He had brokered some kind of deal with the Diocese and he was offering Mass, 10 people at a time, for his parishioners.You had to sign up and it was only a few people, but they allowed for a rotation and everyone was able to come to Mass at some point. I know people who were able to celebrate Easter 2020 at Mater because of Fr. Passo. In May, maybe June, they opened it up to 100 people at a time. Father offered 5 Masses every Sunday and opened up daily Mass entirely (because fewer than 100 people went to daily Mass). At this point, because Mater is so small, effectively the entire parish could come to Sunday Mass.

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    When my wife and I were thinking about using NFP for a year so that she could get back into a healthy lifestyle, Fr. Passo listened and gave us sage advice. He was kind, empathetic, but also firm and fatherlike. I've sought his counsel several times over the last year. When I was wrong, he would kindly, but firmly tell me so.

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    Fast forward to August and Fr. Passo decided to start up CCD classes for children so that everyone who was ready could get the sacraments. In August, he made it VERY clear that if you wanted your children to get the sacraments, they would need to come to the CCD class.

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    My wife and I approached him, told him that we had a lot of teaching material at home and that we wanted our daughter to not have to go to the class because of how difficult it would be to bring our whole family an hour early and entertain toddlers, then sit through Mass.

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    Father let us know, again kindly but firmly, that community is an important part of the Church. He wasn't going to allow us to teach her at home, without the community, because we needed to regain that community we lost during COVID.

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    He knew that, in order to become a community again, we needed to be together, in person. We needed to talk to each other and laugh with each other and cry with each other, instead of at our homes watching on TV. Community was and IS very important to Fr. Passo.

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    I remember going to confession with Fr. Passo and I confessed that I had missed Christmas Mass, not because of illness or of fear of the virus, but because I couldn't be bothered. He told me that it was very important to come to Mass every Sunday that we could, even with the dispensation and how he was worried about the lack of attendance that he'd seen over Christmas.

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    Even though it was hard on our family, we obeyed him. My wife and I discussed whether or not it'd be a sin for her to stay home with the kids and watch Mass on TV. We researched and we talked to some Catholic talking heads and we were still unsure. We were struggling. Not sure why it didn't dawn on me before, but I asked Fr. Passo whether it would be wrong or sinful for my wife or myself to stay home with the lesser behaved kids while the other would take the kids who COULD handle it to Mass.

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    He told us that St. Therese didn't go to Mass until she was 11 and that there was nothing sinful about my wife staying home to take care of the younger children while I brought the older ones. (Bonus: Now that it's something that they have to earn instead of something we force them to do, my kids are excited at the chance to go to Mass.)

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    My wife's mother just recently got remarried to her 4th husband. None of them had died, but none of the marriages were in the Church. My wife sent an email asking for advice, but I knew that Fr. Passo's inbox is difficult to manage, so I was able to ask him between Masses on a Sunday. He told me, "You can't go because it's a mockery of Holy Matrimony, but it sounds like your mother-in-law's other marriages were probably invalid and the annulment process should be fairly painless. Tell her to give me a call and we'll work it out."

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    The first part was what I expected, but not the second part. My mother-in-law doesn't go to his parish and he's never met her, but he was willing to make time in his schedule to meet with her and guide her so that her marriage would be valid in the eyes of the Church.

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    I could write for another several hours about all the amazing things that Fr. Passo has done. What it comes down to is that he's a caring father. Most men will have a few children, maybe 15 or so at most, but Fr. Passo has hundreds of children and he knows their names. He gives no quarter to sin. He is tough, but he is fair. I'm a nobody, but he knows my name. He asks about my wife when she's not there and about my kids. He congratulates me when good things happen and he is there when there is sorrow.

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    We don't see eye to eye on everything. There are things that he's strict about that I'm not keen on, but he's my father. I treat him like I treat a good father. I believe he knows more about how to save my soul than I know. He probably has blind spots, but I KNOW I have blindspots that he's seen in me.

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    He's corrected me kindly and he's made me a better husband and father.

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    To anyone who doubts his kindness and love, come to Mater Misericordiae. Meet the people. Say hello and see how happy they are. See how loved he is.

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    He's not a dictator, he's a father and he sees us all as his children. If he sees you going astray, he'll correct you, guide you back. If you've been missing a lot of Mass and you want something from him, he'll tell you to come back to Mass first, then talk to him about the thing you want, because he wants you to be at Mass. And if you genuinely can't come to Mass, talk to him ahead of time. Let him know as soon as you can as to why you won't be there. I guarantee you that he'll be sympathetic.

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    Like any good father, some of his children won't like how he treats them, but he treats them all the same. It doesn't matter if you're an internet celebrity or a nobody, like me.

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    Thank you for listening to my rant.

    I exposed AB Vigano's public meetings with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin so I ask protection on myself family friends priest, under the Blood of Jesus Christ and mantle of the Blessed Virgin Mary! If harm comes to any of us may that embolden the faithful to speak out all the more so Catholics are not deceived.



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    Re: Saying “No” to Crippled Religion
    « Reply #32 on: May 30, 2021, 09:43:01 AM »
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  • Many [priests] are in fact drawn to the priesthood because they were failures in the world and in this way can feel as if they're bigshots.  
    In today's age, priests are viewed as pariahs. Not sure why somebody would want to be a priest, if their aim is to be venerated.

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    Re: Saying “No” to Crippled Religion
    « Reply #33 on: May 30, 2021, 10:13:29 AM »
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  • So a newborn is denied Baptism because the baby isnt catechized.  Or deny sacrament of Holy Communion to a child when they are handing out Holy Communion to pro abortion, pro ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ politicians.

    The Pope and his peers are poorly catechized.  
    But he doesn't go to Mass and he has publicly talked about going Orthodox.  He has spoken against  Vatican I. He constantly talks about his doubts about the papacy.  He's been flirting with apostasy for some time. This will turn into another fundraiser. 

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    Re: Saying “No” to Crippled Religion
    « Reply #34 on: May 30, 2021, 02:04:42 PM »
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  • Steve, as well as Hillary White, have responded to the criticisms. 





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    Re: Saying “No” to Crippled Religion
    « Reply #35 on: May 30, 2021, 02:07:25 PM »
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  • See their Twitter accounts. 

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    Re: Saying “No” to Crippled Religion
    « Reply #36 on: May 30, 2021, 03:17:58 PM »
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  • From the quotes by Miser Peccator:


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    He wasn't going to allow us to teach her at home, without the community

    Really?

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    Re: Saying “No” to Crippled Religion
    « Reply #37 on: May 30, 2021, 07:18:10 PM »
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  • Steve, as well as Hillary White, have responded to the criticisms.
    I respect Hillary White.
    R.I.P.
    Please pray for the repose of my soul.


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    Re: Saying “No” to Crippled Religion
    « Reply #38 on: May 30, 2021, 07:37:49 PM »
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  • But he doesn't go to Mass and he has publicly talked about going Orthodox.  He has spoken against  Vatican I. He constantly talks about his doubts about the papacy.  He's been flirting with apostasy for some time. This will turn into another fundraiser.
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    the baptism would genuinely not be good in the long run if the child doesn't keep the faith. Ironically my brother who was atheist was baptized as an infant and has only gone to Church for social functions. Yet I might be the only Catholic in my family but was not baptized as an infant. I am glad I wasn't since I would just have to suffer temporal punishment for my sins committed before April of 2018 or in 2019 since I would not have received remission of sins through the baptism because the Trinity wasn't explained to me.
    I recant many opinions on the crisis in the Church and moral theology that I have espoused on here from at least 2019-2021 don't take my postings from that time as well as 2022 possibly too seriously.

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    Re: Saying “No” to Crippled Religion
    « Reply #39 on: May 30, 2021, 09:40:20 PM »
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  • Skojec is now questioning Catholism altogether. Well played Vatican II well played. 

    https://skojecfile.steveskojec.com/p/an-epidemic-of-brokenness


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    Re: Saying “No” to Crippled Religion
    « Reply #40 on: May 31, 2021, 05:15:22 AM »
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  • Skojec is now questioning Catholism altogether. Well played Vatican II well played.

    https://skojecfile.steveskojec.com/p/an-epidemic-of-brokenness

    Well, "questioning Catholicism" is sort of a default mode any rational person born after 1959 who desires to know and worship God will come to, part of a normal maturation and coming to true cognizance with adulthood. Unless I guess if you were raised Trad and never came to question the inherent tensions in "Catholicism" in the connecting threads of some of its principles, which the Conciliar revolution tangled, if not cut outright.

    This reality is why I suspect some of us who were not born into it became Traditional Catholics in the first place. And then, as a simple perusal of this site will show, that reality of tangled principles doesn't go away then either for many of us, as witness the brawls between R & R and Sedes, Feeneyites and non-Feeneyites, etc. 

    Skojec is peeling back layers of an onion, and getting closer to the heart of the matter than many do. Which makes him vulnerable to attack, like any honest man. And as an honest and intelligent man, he's worth an ear and some consideration. He sometimes says things about God which should be strictly and narrowly applied to the Church as distinct from God; the Church is simply God's tool. For example, he says:


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    The kind of Catholic who is immersed in the view I’ve described finds the following statement completely unpalatable:
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    “Question with boldness even the existence of a God; for, if there be a God, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear.”
    — Thomas Jefferson
    I think it’s one of the most beautiful compliments God could ever be given: the idea that He trusts and respects the intellect and free will He gave his creatures so much that he’d rather they use them to examine the thorny question of His existence than to merely cower before an imposed belief.

    I read that and wonder if Jefferson ever read Genesis 3, or the Lord's answers to Job from the whirlwind in Job 38-43. I pray that Skojec substitutes the "Catholic Church" for where Jefferson has "God" in the quotation, and indeed where he has "God" in his following observation. This is the danger behind where Skojec is right now. I fear there is an equation between God(Christ) and the Church is his mind that is behind his crisis, and I think some of the assertions about the Church by her hieararchy and her theologians (pre-Vatican II) are behind that equation.  

    Most often those who come to realize that the Church is not Christ end up rejecting the Church when they come to the realization. That is the tragedy I hope Steve avoids with some adjustments that, unfortunately, he will have to largely make of his own, since what he says about Traditionalism - its clerics and many of its members, and its overall mindset - is often true. 

    The larger reality that Skojec is grappling with is that the "answers" which pre-Vatican II Catholicism itself provide are variously contradicted, mocked, stultified, etc. by what came after. He is in danger of throwing away the pearl of great price because of this, and it isn't his fault in my opinion. God's hand is in all of this, and I pray Skojec comes to see that and holds onto the Catholic Church, having made the adjustments I think God intended the Conciliar crisis to cause and make. 
    Rom. 3:25 Whom God hath proposed to be a propitiation, through faith in his blood, to the shewing of his justice, for the remission of former sins" 

    Apoc 17:17 For God hath given into their hearts to do that which pleaseth him: that they give their kingdom to the beast, till the words of God be fulfilled.


    Offline Meg

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    Re: Saying “No” to Crippled Religion
    « Reply #41 on: May 31, 2021, 08:53:32 AM »
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  • So a newborn is denied Baptism because the baby isnt catechized.  Or deny sacrament of Holy Communion to a child when they are handing out Holy Communion to pro abortion, pro ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ politicians.

    The Pope and his peers are poorly catechized.  

    Traditional priests tend to only baptize infants if they believe that the child will be properly raised in the Catholic Faith. It's possible that the priest in question had reason to doubt that the child would be properly raised in the Faith.

    I don't think that Skojec is telling the whole story. He seems to be looking for validation from the 'comments' section under his article "Crippled Religion" on the 1P5 blog. If he wants to leave the Catholic Faith and go E.O., then fine. He should just do it, and quit whining. But then he would still have to find a way to make a living from the laity, and may have to start another blog.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Saying “No” to Crippled Religion
    « Reply #42 on: May 31, 2021, 09:05:09 AM »
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  • He's already created a new blog that requires a fee to comment.  I suspect his time at 1P5 will end once he gets enough subscribers.

    https://skojecfile.steveskojec.com/p/against-crippled-religion

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    Re: Saying “No” to Crippled Religion
    « Reply #43 on: May 31, 2021, 09:05:20 AM »
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  • Exerpt from Rorate Caeli post paints a different picture:
    https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2021/05/the-wonderful-fssp-community-in-phoenix.html

    From a reader who would prefer to remain αnσnymσus online:
     


    Thanks for posting this. It provides another perspective on the situation.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Saying “No” to Crippled Religion
    « Reply #44 on: May 31, 2021, 09:07:55 AM »
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  • He's already created a new blog that requires a fee to comment.  I suspect his time at 1P5 will end once he gets enough subscribers.

    Good heavens.   :facepalm:

    Sad to think that there are probably a lot of Catholics who are dumb enough to still follow him. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29