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Offline Jr1991

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Saying “No” to Crippled Religion
« on: May 29, 2021, 02:40:11 PM »
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    • Steve Skojec is having a spiritual meltdown. I have been where he is at--We should pray for him—another victim of the Church of Vatican II and the divisions within Traditional circles. 


    https://onepeterfive.com/saying-no-to-crippled-religion/



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    Re: Saying “No” to Crippled Religion
    « Reply #1 on: May 29, 2021, 02:53:45 PM »
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    • Thanks for posting this. Poor Steve needs to shut it all off and be alone with God.  :pray:
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    Re: Saying “No” to Crippled Religion
    « Reply #2 on: May 29, 2021, 04:41:51 PM »
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    • Quote from: Jr1991 on May 29, 2021, 02:40:11 PM

    Steve Skojec is having a spiritual meltdown. I have been where he is at--We should pray for him—another victim of the Church of Vatican II and the divisions within Traditional circles.


    https://onepeterfive.com/saying-no-to-crippled-religion/


    From the article referred to in the linked article:


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    it gives rise to an autonomous collection of mini-popes, all of them reveling in their “duty” to speak truth to power, analyzing anyone who ostensibly professes the same creed to death, searching for every “gotcha” moment with which they can be browbeaten for being insufficiently pure.

    So true.

    Too much of Traditionalism is about returning to a place that produced the mess being run from in the first place. There is something in the Pre-V2 Church that warranted the scourging of the Lord. To just run back to what pre-existed the Conciliar Church without trying to get a handle on what that was won’t work - and the Lord won’t let it work, since it warranted, and would warrant, His judgment.








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    Offline Viva Cristo Rey

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    Re: Saying “No” to Crippled Religion
    « Reply #3 on: May 29, 2021, 04:42:55 PM »
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    • .....”But when my pastor denied sacraments to my children last week for arbitrary and unjust reasons, something in me snapped”.....

    The problem isn’t with him but the priest who denied his children the sacraments.
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    Re: Saying “No” to Crippled Religion
    « Reply #4 on: May 29, 2021, 04:44:39 PM »
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    • Why was his children denied communion?

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    Re: Saying “No” to Crippled Religion
    « Reply #5 on: May 29, 2021, 05:35:33 PM »
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    • Steve-

    “If there were an easier path, we might have chosen it.”

    -Imitation of Christ

    Hang in there.  God picked you from all eternity to live in these times.

    Your scars and blood will be medals in heaven.

    None of us makes it without trauma.
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    Re: Saying “No” to Crippled Religion
    « Reply #6 on: May 29, 2021, 05:49:14 PM »
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    • People are disgusted with everything going on.  


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    Re: Saying “No” to Crippled Religion
    « Reply #7 on: May 29, 2021, 05:50:07 PM »
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    • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on May 29, 2021, 04:44:39 PM
    Why was his children denied communion?

    These gentlemen address it towards the end of their podcast: 

    https://anchor.fm/restoring-the-faith-media/episodes/Trad-Patrick-On-US-Government-on-pre-crimes--FDA-madness--the-end-of-Summorum-Pontificuм--and-Steve-Skojecs-OnePeterFive-Apostasy-e11lum2

    Skojec hasn't been going to Mass regularly, even before the plandemic. And because of this, his children haven't been properly catechized. That's the side of the story he isn't telling you. 

    Pray for this man. 
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    Re: Saying “No” to Crippled Religion
    « Reply #8 on: May 29, 2021, 06:11:36 PM »
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    • So a newborn is denied Baptism because the baby isnt catechized.  Or deny sacrament of Holy Communion to a child when they are handing out Holy Communion to pro abortion, pro ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ politicians. 

    The Pope and his peers are poorly catechized.  



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    Re: Saying “No” to Crippled Religion
    « Reply #9 on: May 29, 2021, 06:21:20 PM »
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    • Steve's turmoil is caused by a continuation of what brought him here, an excessive guilt-driven need to worship priests.

    Let it out, Steve, and just repeat this:  "This priest sucks." and/or "This is a crappy priest."

    Until you can embrace this as a legitimate judgment, you'll keep torturing yourself with guilt about feeling that way.

    But truth is truth.

    We've had crappy priests since time immemorial, with Judas himself at the Last Supper.

    Once you can get past this passive-aggressive repression and part feeling sorry for yourself (acting victim), and just embrace the truth that "This priest sucks.", you're not going to get over it and have a chance to heal.

    Newsflash.  Many priests suck, and they sucked long before this Crisis.

    Until you get past the feelings of guilt, then you can actually have pity for these crappy priests and pray for them.

    Until then you're going to remain wound up like this

    So the first step to healing is admit that you've been wronged and that his behavior was unacceptable.  There's part of you trying to let this out, but part of you that's still repressing it, causing your turmoil.  Let it out and just admit it.

    I once witnessed a Trad priest turn down a lady who was desperately asking for him to hear her confession, and seemed in urgent need of it, because ... I kid you not ... he had to go to breakfast.  I'm not going to sit here writhing with guilt for thinking that was an extremely crappy thing to do because "oh, he's a priest and we need to respect/worship our priest." 

    Priests.  Newsflash.  You were not chosen to be priests FOR YOUR GLORY but for the good of the faithful.  No one deserves the priesthood and you have no right to glory in it.  If you do, you will be damned.  Yours is a life of servitude.  Just as a parents has to stay up with a sick child, you are under obligation to serve the needs of the faithful without demanding constant obsequy and adulation.

    Steve, you respect the Alter Christus who is in the priest, but you needn't worship and idolize that sinner in whom Our Lord has deigned to operate for some reason.
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    Re: Saying “No” to Crippled Religion
    « Reply #10 on: May 29, 2021, 06:23:51 PM »
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    • Many priests build these cults around themselves.  Many are in fact drawn to the priesthood because they were failures in the world and in this way can feel as if they're bigshots.  They revel in the thought of people walking around bowing their heads as they pass.

    Those are the ones that fall the hardest.

    We need to pray for them.  And sometimes charity even requires that people tell them off to snap them out of this self-worship.
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    « Reply #11 on: May 29, 2021, 06:25:50 PM »
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    • Steve,

    I would just ignore this priest, baptize the younger child myself, and then present the older boy for First Communion somewhere else .... problem solved.  I too am tired of priests playing God with the Sacraments.  These Sacraments are for the faithful, not for them to use for their power trips.

    Then you can just find someone else ... SSPX, an Eastern Rite priest.  Finally, you can notify this FSSP priest why you left.



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    Re: Saying “No” to Crippled Religion
    « Reply #12 on: May 29, 2021, 06:36:54 PM »
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    • Quote from: DecemRationis on May 29, 2021, 04:41:51 PM
    There is something in the Pre-V2 Church that warranted the scourging of the Lord. To just run back to what pre-existed the Conciliar Church without trying to get a handle on what that was won’t work - and the Lord won’t let it work, since it warranted, and would warrant, His judgment.

    THIS ^^^

    There were a lot of bad priests before and leading up to Vatican II.

    We need to distinguish between the respect we owe to the priesthood and the unworthiness of a particular priest.  Similarly, we have respect for our country, even while acknowledging that it has turned into a total cesspool.

    As a counter to the grossly irreverent attitude towards the priesthood in the Conciliar Church, there's this feeling among some Traditional Catholics that to have any negative thought about a priest is a sin against Our Lord, so they are racked with guilt, and try to suppress these thoughts, so they find themselves battling objective truth out of guilt.  "Priest says 2+2=5.  No, it's not.  Yes it is.  No it's not.  It would be wrong to trust my private judgment and not defer to the priest.  So I'll believe 2+2=5.  But I can't."  This leads to the neurosis expressed by Steve.

    Yes, indeed, this was crappy behavior on the part of this priest.  Embrace that thought.  It's OK.  Because it's true.  You will not be struck by lightening or causing Our Lord to rain tears from Heaven.  Now, once you get past that, instead of resenting the priest, you just feel pity for him and pray for him, since his soul may be in great danger.

    I know whereof I speak, because this kind of thing happened to me personally, where at one of the darkest times in my life, I was kicked to the curb by a priest and thrown under the bus.  He wouldn't give me the time of day.  So I struggled with the cult-like following this priest had promoted for himself, constantly reminding people that he was Christ Himself.  So, for a while, rather than simply embrace a righteous indignation that I had been betrayed, I struggled with thinking that I really deserved to be cast aside like a piece of trash.  Took me a bit to snap out of that.
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    Re: Saying “No” to Crippled Religion
    « Reply #13 on: May 29, 2021, 06:39:07 PM »
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    • The thing regarding his children and the sacraments is a precipitating event - a cause of focus. His linked article accurately references some of the larger issues, which Steve Skojec has known all along and is coming to terms with more directly NOW because of the triggering event. But he was going to face them sooner or later anyway. 

    Steve - hold to the Faith, the Rosary, Scripture. The Japanese Catholics, and others, survived without the sacraments for centuries. Many of us who hold to the Faith don’t have access to Latin Masses, and are “home aloners” of necessity. I think the Lord is behind this, and it is a response to the simple reliance on externals - all those Latin Masses didn’t prevent the Conciliar Mess - and failure to “believe in thy heart.” Romans 10:9.
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    Re: Saying “No” to Crippled Religion
    « Reply #14 on: May 29, 2021, 06:41:24 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on May 29, 2021, 06:36:54 PM
    THIS ^^^

    There were a lot of bad priests before and leading up to Vatican II.

    We need to distinguish between the respect we owe to the priesthood and the unworthiness of a particular priest.  Similarly, we have respect for our country, even while acknowledging that it has turned into a total cesspool.

    As a counter to the grossly irreverent attitude towards the priesthood in the Conciliar Church, there's this feeling among some Traditional Catholics that to have any negative thought about a priest is a sin against Our Lord, so they are racked with guilt, and try to suppress these thoughts, so they find themselves battling objective truth out of guilt.  "Priest says 2+2=5.  No, it's not.  Yes it is.  No it's not.  It would be wrong to trust my private judgment and not defer to the priest.  So I'll believe 2+2=5.  But I can't."  This leads to the neurosis expressed by Steve.

    Yes, indeed, this was crappy behavior on the part of this priest.  Embrace that thought.  It's OK.  Because it's true.  You will not be struck by lightening or causing Our Lord to rain tears from Heaven.  Now, once you get past that, instead of resenting the priest, you just feel pity for him and pray for him, since his soul may be in great danger.

    I know whereof I speak, because this kind of thing happened to me personally, where at one of the darkest times in my life, I was kicked to the curb by a priest and thrown under the bus.  He wouldn't give me the time of day.  So I struggled with the cult-like following this priest had promoted for himself, constantly reminding people that he was Christ Himself.  So, for a while, rather than simply embrace a righteous indignation that I had been betrayed, I struggled with thinking that I really deserved to be cast aside like a piece of trash.  Took me a bit to snap out of that.

    Yes, bad shepherds too . . . to go with merely professing sheep who “loved to have it so."
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