Author Topic: Rejection of Modernism is Sedevacantism?? (Read 7577 times)

Telesphorus · « **Reply #60 on:** May 17, 2012, 01:59:01 PM »

Quote from: Domitilla

"much has changed since the episcopal ordinations of 1988".

This is just an appeal to emotion, people are programmed to respond to vague talk about "change."

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Then he went on to state that this Pope has a sincere desire for a return to Tradition (really?).

Benedict XVI could demonstrate that in a very brief period of time if he really had even the slightest desire to return to tradition.

SeanJohnson · « **Reply #61 on:** May 17, 2012, 04:02:11 PM »

Quote from: Domitilla

No, what he said was: "much has changed since the episcopal ordinations of 1988". Then he went on to state that this Pope has a sincere desire for a return to Tradition (really?). He stated that now we stand on the bank of a river with a firm footing, but we have been asked to enter into the current which will be swirling in the opposite direction. However, Our Lord will not abandon us. We must pray for the strength to fight the current, blah, blah, blah, and in the end, the victory will be Our Lord's victory. We are to pray, remain silent, and stay away from all "rumor mongering". We are to have faith in our Superiors. blah, blah, blah.

"He who loves danger shall perish in it."

-St. Augustine

SeanJohnson · « **Reply #62 on:** May 17, 2012, 07:20:43 PM »

Quote from: Domitilla

No, what he said was: "much has changed since the episcopal ordinations of 1988". Then he went on to state that this Pope has a sincere desire for a return to Tradition (really?). He stated that now we stand on the bank of a river with a firm footing, but we have been asked to enter into the current which will be swirling in the opposite direction. However, Our Lord will not abandon us. We must pray for the strength to fight the current, blah, blah, blah, and in the end, the victory will be Our Lord's victory. We are to pray, remain silent, and stay away from all "rumor mongering". We are to have faith in our Superiors. blah, blah, blah.

My wife heard this sermon in person this morning.

It was given by Fr. Peek at IHM Chapel in St. Paul, MN.

She did not take away the same vibe you took from these words (e.g., stepping off the bank into the swirling waters).

Her take on it was that Fr. Peek was not saying that we should leave the safe banks of traditionalism and jump into the swirling waters, and hope for the best that we don't get carried away.

Her take was that he was cautioning that that is what we need to be on guard against.

She corroborated that the rest is substantially accurate, more or less.

She did take away that it felt like Fr. Peek was prepping the faithful that this deal was going to happen (i.e., talking about what will change, etc).

Domitilla · « **Reply #63 on:** May 18, 2012, 06:08:50 AM »

Just to clarify: The bank of the river illustrates the SSPX in it's current state. The swirling current going in the opposite direction illustrates the Novus Ordo Church. His sermon was very clearly prepping the SSPX faithful for a Vatican-SSPX accord. If we resist that accord, we are nothing more than "bitter zealots".

SeanJohnson · « **Reply #64 on:** May 18, 2012, 08:28:52 AM »

Quote from: Domitilla

Just to clarify: The bank of the river illustrates the SSPX in it's current state. The swirling current going in the opposite direction illustrates the Novus Ordo Church. His sermon was very clearly prepping the SSPX faithful for a Vatican-SSPX accord. If we resist that accord, we are nothing more than "bitter zealots".

This was also my wife's impression (i.e., Sermon was preparation for the sellout).

She did not hear the part about bitter zealots, but that does not mean it was not said.