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Offline DecemRationis

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Re: Salza calls the SSPX and Sedes Schismatics
« Reply #90 on: January 15, 2023, 10:47:38 AM »
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  • https://schismatic-home-aloner.com/fr-denis-fahey/

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    Rom. 3:25 Whom God hath proposed to be a propitiation, through faith in his blood, to the shewing of his justice, for the remission of former sins" 

    Apoc 17:17 For God hath given into their hearts to do that which pleaseth him: that they give their kingdom to the beast, till the words of God be fulfilled.

    Offline SeanJohnson

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    Re: Salza calls the SSPX and Sedes Schismatics
    « Reply #91 on: January 15, 2023, 10:53:21 AM »
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  • As to your justification, I disagree. Had the hierarchy permitted indult priests to disagree and speak out against errors they perceive in V2, the justification for SSPX and Resistance parishes would not be there IMO. The point is resistance to error and access to the means of salvation and tradition: if the hierarchy permits resistance, and access to the traditional sacraments, there is no need to resist in a divided and separated entity of Resistance, resistance already available without the rent of division.

    Hello DR-

    Some more thoughts:

    1) Regarding your hypothetical, why would the hierarchy permit resistance to itself??  The reality is that on the one hand, they have censured those who have attempted to, and on the other hand, instituted controlled opposition to reintegrate former resisters (as mentioned in my previous post).  It would be like inviting burglars into your home.  This is what makes the delusion of converting from within a naive pipedream (+Fellay/Rossiniere).

    2) Lefebvre did not say it was a strict duty to remain independent of the conciliar church for so long as they refuse to let us criticize it.  He said it was a strict duty for every priest wanting to remain Catholic to separate himself from this Conciliar Church for as long as it does not rediscover the tradition of the Church and of the Catholic Faith.

    In other words, it is a different (conciliar) religion, and one cannot join a conciliar church without leaving the Catholic Church. 

    By all means, resist, condemn in season and out of season, but for so long as this counterfeit religion (with its counterfeit rites, catechisms, morals, canon law, etc.) remains, it places souls in grave spiritual necessity, and separation will be necessary to keep and protect the faith and avoid contamination, or slowly, slowly one will lose it (exactly as Cardinal Cottier/Rome have desired).

    Which is all another way of saying souls are still in necessity, whether preaching/teaching against errors is permitted or not, and it is that necessity which compels independence from those who perceive the threat.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


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    Re: Salza calls the SSPX and Sedes Schismatics
    « Reply #92 on: January 15, 2023, 12:36:50 PM »
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    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Salza calls the SSPX and Sedes Schismatics
    « Reply #93 on: January 15, 2023, 01:48:13 PM »
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    I use tinyurl for a number of reasons.  Many links break due to the various word-substitution algorithms in place also.

    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Salza calls the SSPX and Sedes Schismatics
    « Reply #94 on: January 15, 2023, 01:54:00 PM »
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  • In other words, it is a different (conciliar) religion, and one cannot join a conciliar church without leaving the Catholic Church. 

    Except if you're Jorge Bergoglio.  Not only has he joined the Conciliar Church, but he's the head thereof, and yet he hasn't left the Catholic Church, right?

    In any case, this crisis is far worse than the Arian crisis and constitutes a clear state of emergency.

    As for being able to deal with the emergency by going to Indult / Motu Masses, it's absolutely clear that there would never have been an Indul Mass, Motu Mass, an FSSP, etc. ... had it not been for Archbishop Lefebvre's formation of the SSPX.  If everyone returned to the Motu Masses (of course, Bergoglio is in the process of banning them), and the Traditional Mass centers faded away, Rome would pull the plug completely on them.

    This revolution / revolt against the Church was not the produce of some sincere but confused individuals who just lose their "Catholic sensese" (sorry, Bishop Williamson), but it was a deliberate attack on the Church, and the V2 papal claimants were active / conscious conspiractors in the attack.


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    Re: Salza calls the SSPX and Sedes Schismatics
    « Reply #95 on: January 15, 2023, 02:02:19 PM »
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  • As for being able to deal with the emergency by going to Indult / Motu Masses, it's absolutely clear that there would never have been an Indul Mass, Motu Mass, an FSSP, etc. ... had it not been for Archbishop Lefebvre's formation of the SSPX.  If everyone returned to the Motu Masses (of course, Bergoglio is in the process of banning them), and the Traditional Mass centers faded away, Rome would pull the plug completely on them.

    Anyone can say what they will about +Williamson, but what no man can take from him is the laurel of honor for having saved the greater part of Tradition from conciliar capture.

    That should never be forgotten.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: Salza calls the SSPX and Sedes Schismatics
    « Reply #96 on: January 15, 2023, 02:05:43 PM »
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  • Except if you're Jorge Bergoglio.  Not only has he joined the Conciliar Church, but he's the head thereof, and yet he hasn't left the Catholic Church, right?

    That was a little hasty/sloppy on my part.  What I should have said is that the two churches are not entirely distinct, and one does not completely separate oneself from either by tending to ward the other (i.e., one pope for two chuches).

    I don't feel like going through that one for the 458th time right now though.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: Salza calls the SSPX and Sedes Schismatics
    « Reply #97 on: January 15, 2023, 02:06:22 PM »
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  • (sort of rhetorical question, credit and value, and community!) How does the ontological basis of the Chair of St. Peter fit in with any of the preferments or heresies, or ʝʊdɛօ-Masonic zionisms and debts of Vatican II Church anyway? In the forms? the transcendentals? the universals? the way to count the numbers up? Aristotle makes a problem when he says two different things can't fit in the same place.

    For example, it'll be the Feral Rezerve Bank and the Moon that goes the wrong way in (or over) your backyard or not.




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    Re: Salza calls the SSPX and Sedes Schismatics
    « Reply #98 on: January 15, 2023, 04:25:26 PM »
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  • That was a little hasty/sloppy on my part.  What I should have said is that the two churches are not entirely distinct, and one does not completely separate oneself from either by tending to ward the other (i.e., one pope for two chuches).

    I don't feel like going through that one for the 458th time right now though.

    Fair enough.

    Many of us do agree that the Conciliar Church is a non-Catholic church, an Antichurch, etc. ... and that alone justifies seeking the Sacraments outside the Conciliar Church.

    I'm not sure that the "harm" of attending a Motu Mass can be quantified, as while the priests who offer these Masses generally tend to favor the errors of Vatican II, it's rare that they actually preach in favor of them, at least during Motu Masses.  So there has to be more than that.  Of course, many of us also do not grant that the Motu Masses are certainly valid, because we have doubts about the validit of NO Consecrations and Ordinations.

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    Re: Salza calls the SSPX and Sedes Schismatics
    « Reply #99 on: January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM »
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    Re: Salza calls the SSPX and Sedes Schismatics
    « Reply #100 on: January 15, 2023, 09:55:16 PM »
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    Re: Salza calls the SSPX and Sedes Schismatics
    « Reply #101 on: January 15, 2023, 10:07:23 PM »
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  • I use tinyurl for a number of reasons.  Many links break due to the various word-substitution algorithms in place also.
    I wouldn't lump together using tinyurl to avoid an unintended problem and using it to dodge something that's obviously intentional.

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    Re: Salza calls the SSPX and Sedes Schismatics
    « Reply #102 on: January 16, 2023, 08:25:57 AM »
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  • I wouldn't lump together using tinyurl to avoid an unintended problem and using it to dodge something that's obviously intentional.

    I lump them together because the cause and the effect of both are the same ... as is the solution. :laugh1:  Intention is in the internal forum, and de internis non judico.

    People could just as easily use cirumlocutions or other workarounds, besides tinyurl, such as [vatican catholic dot com]/[rest of link]

    Now, if Matthew took the next step and banned all such workarounds, that would be the next level.

    I'm not sure why their site has to be blocked categorically.  There's a lot of good stuff on their site that has nothing to do with the controversial issues.

    I don't really like the Traditio guy (IMO, he's far worse), claiming, for instance, that the 1962 Tridentine Mass is HALF Novus Ordo, but there might be a useful link or two on their site also, such as their Tridentine Mass directory for instance.

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    Re: Salza calls the SSPX and Sedes Schismatics
    « Reply #103 on: January 16, 2023, 08:33:53 AM »
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  • Here's an example of something that might be useful to people (on the same subject as the link that started this discussion) ...
    http://www.traditio.com/fah.htm

    As I said, I can't stand Traditio's positions and attitudes, but it wouldn't stop me from posting this link.  I don't agree with a lot of what Father Cekada wrote, but that wouldn't stop me from posting some of the stuff that's really good ... etc., etc.