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Offline Quo vadis Domine

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Re: Salza calls the SSPX and Sedes Schismatics
« Reply #45 on: January 12, 2023, 05:36:50 PM »
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  • I trust him about as far as I can throw Bergoglio! :jester:
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

    Offline Incredulous

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    Re: Salza calls the SSPX and Sedes Schismatics
    « Reply #46 on: January 12, 2023, 07:36:46 PM »
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  • 3+ hours of listening to an ex-Freemason layman? 

    Next...

    If only we could see the name on his bank account Direct Deposit stubs? :popcorn:
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


    Offline Miser Peccator

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    Re: Salza calls the SSPX and Sedes Schismatics
    « Reply #47 on: January 12, 2023, 07:44:28 PM »
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  • It still blows my mind that they think Ratzinger was on the side of tradition. Are they completely unaware of his writings and statements before his election? 
    Not just before....but during his papacy!


    The Bennyvacantists keep telling the story he was liberal in his youth but became "traditional" in his maturity.

    He was farrrrr worse than Bergolio.  In your face apostasy!

    20min




    I exposed AB Vigano's public meetings with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin so I ask protection on myself family friends priest, under the Blood of Jesus Christ and mantle of the Blessed Virgin Mary! If harm comes to any of us may that embolden the faithful to speak out all the more so Catholics are not deceived.



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    Re: Salza calls the SSPX and Sedes Schismatics
    « Reply #48 on: January 12, 2023, 07:45:32 PM »
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  • I trust him about as far as I can throw Bergoglio! :jester:


    Or as far as I can throw Benedict!
    I exposed AB Vigano's public meetings with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin so I ask protection on myself family friends priest, under the Blood of Jesus Christ and mantle of the Blessed Virgin Mary! If harm comes to any of us may that embolden the faithful to speak out all the more so Catholics are not deceived.



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    Re: Salza calls the SSPX and Sedes Schismatics
    « Reply #49 on: January 12, 2023, 09:22:05 PM »
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  • Not just before....but during his papacy!


    The Bennyvacantists keep telling the story he was liberal in his youth but became "traditional" in his maturity.

    He was farrrrr worse than Bergolio.  In your face apostasy!

    20min



    At 11:20 he goes into Taylor Marshall's deceptions
    I exposed AB Vigano's public meetings with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin so I ask protection on myself family friends priest, under the Blood of Jesus Christ and mantle of the Blessed Virgin Mary! If harm comes to any of us may that embolden the faithful to speak out all the more so Catholics are not deceived.



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    Re: Salza calls the SSPX and Sedes Schismatics
    « Reply #50 on: January 12, 2023, 09:43:55 PM »
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  • At 11:20 he goes into Taylor Marshall's deceptions


    But to be clear, unlike the position of the Diamond Bros I personally don't declare Benedict to be in Hell.  :(

    I do believe death bed confessions are a possibility.

    Plus, I believe that using tact and diplomacy when reaching out to those who have been deceived by Benedict's deceptive role playing as the

    "good pope"

    "traditional pope"

    is necessary in order to help more people see the truth.

    This can be accomplished without compromising the truth.


    Thousands of traditionally minded Catholics have been sold a bill of goods through no fault of their own regarding Benedict.

    It does no good to mock or make fun of them.

    It's painful when one has been led to believe in a hero only to discover their hero is no hero at all.

    Cognitive dissonance makes it very difficult and painful to see the truth.

    We should be gentle and understanding yet at the same time unrelenting in sharing the truth.



    I exposed AB Vigano's public meetings with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin so I ask protection on myself family friends priest, under the Blood of Jesus Christ and mantle of the Blessed Virgin Mary! If harm comes to any of us may that embolden the faithful to speak out all the more so Catholics are not deceived.



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    Re: Salza calls the SSPX and Sedes Schismatics
    « Reply #51 on: January 12, 2023, 09:46:21 PM »
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  • But to be clear, unlike the position of the Diamond Bros I personally don't declare Benedict to be in Hell.  :(
    God only knows where he wound up. Their idea of presuming people are absolutely in hell is vile. Sure, we can presume he died as he lived with no proof of conversion, but that's not a 100% certainty of where his final end is.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Salza calls the SSPX and Sedes Schismatics
    « Reply #52 on: January 12, 2023, 10:30:49 PM »
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  • If you do enough digging you can find pictures of the consecration rite and it appears to be a mistake on +Gracida's part. The photos show the gospel book being placed above +Gracida's head and a quote from the new rite as a caption for the bestowal of the ring upon +Gracida.

    You can't tell anything from the pictures.  Undoubtedly it was a hybrid rite in that they almost certainly used the Novus Ordo Mass for the Mass part.  Conferring the ring is nearly identical apart from varying English translations even with older editions.  I tend to take Bishop Gracida's word for it, as he was in charge of the ceremonies in the Diocese.  Since there were other Bishops there besides +Carroll, I'm guessing it was a hybrid where the essential form was swapped out but other aspects of the ceremony had the newer usage.  Gospel book wasn't actually on +Gracida's head in the picture but over it, so it was snapped at a time when they were about to put it into its position, with its final resting place TBD.  But, even if it ended up on his head, what's key is which essential form was used.

    This again is what he wrote:
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    Consequently, when I was appointed in December of 1971 Auxiliary Bishop to Archbishop Coleman Carroll by Pope Paul VI, I was still Rector of Saint Mary Cathedral. I therefore know for a certainty that I was ordained Auxiliary Bishop of Miami on January 25, 1972 with an earlier edition of the Pontificale Romanum that was still in use in the Cathedral of Saint Mary in Miami and not the 1969 Edition of the Bugnini Pontificale.

    By 1972, the NOM was in place, so those who wanted to retain the older form of the Rituale would have to have developed some kind of hybrid usage.


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    Re: Salza calls the SSPX and Sedes Schismatics
    « Reply #53 on: January 12, 2023, 10:32:13 PM »
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  • God only knows where he wound up. Their idea of presuming people are absolutely in hell is vile. Sure, we can presume he died as he lived with no proof of conversion, but that's not a 100% certainty of where his final end is.
    What's worse is that the Dimonds forbid that anyone pray for a person who dies and is, in their eyes, guaranteed to be in hell. Unless the Dimonds are blessed with omniscience, they should refrain from their ex cathedra-level declarations on who is in hell.

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    Re: Salza calls the SSPX and Sedes Schismatics
    « Reply #54 on: January 12, 2023, 10:47:25 PM »
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  • What's worse is that the Dimonds forbid that anyone pray for a person who dies and is, in their eyes, guaranteed to be in hell. Unless the Dimonds are blessed with omniscience, they should refrain from their ex cathedra-level declarations on who is in hell.

    Well, the truth is in between.  Indeed one should not pray publicly for a departed heretic, and the presumption is in fact that they are lost.  Dimonds take the presumption a bit too far in one direction, while others minimize the presumption into a mere possibility ... with each side overreacting to the other.  When people pray for public heretics or public sinners, there's the danger of minimizing the gravity of heresy, but at the same time the Dimonds tend to carry on as if there's no such thing a purely material heresy.  There's a balance there that is not always easy to find.

    Let's take the case of a different sin.  Let's say that Mel Gibon died suddely tomorrow without having first expressed any sign of repentance for the public state of sin he's in.  Church would traditionally have refused Christian burial with the presumption that he died in his sin.  If people offered prayers for him pubicly, it should be with the stipulation that they hoped that he would have repented of his sin before death, but would not offer them with the same attitude as if the person had died to all appearances as a practicing Catholic, a faithfuld departed.

    I mean, for crying out loud, there were Trad Catholics who were offering prayers when Rush Limbaugh died, and one Motarian group was praying publicly for the departed heretic "Queen" Elizabeth.

    At the same time, Joseph Ratzinger was validly baptized a Catholic, and so God have easily provide him the necessary lights and graces to save his soul even in his final moment of life.

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    Re: Salza calls the SSPX and Sedes Schismatics
    « Reply #55 on: January 12, 2023, 11:51:57 PM »
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  • I believe that using tact and diplomacy when reaching out to those who have been deceived by Benedict's deceptive role playing as the

    "good pope"

    "traditional pope"

    is necessary in order to help more people see the truth.

    This can be accomplished without compromising the truth.


    Thousands of traditionally minded Catholics have been sold a bill of goods through no fault of their own regarding Benedict.

    It does no good to mock or make fun of them.

    It seems that many people who claim to be Catholic but who embrace false teachings and false shepherds are not deceived but are willfully ignorant. Self deception is rampant among people who call themselves Catholic. There are many souls who have had access to the truth via the grace of God, but they do not want to face the truth and they do not cooperate with God's grace. 


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    Re: Salza calls the SSPX and Sedes Schismatics
    « Reply #56 on: January 13, 2023, 06:30:59 AM »
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  • I'm not going to waste my time on this garbage (and it's pure pseudo-theological trash).  When he was on with Dr. Sungenis, he had the temerity to claim that he wasn't in schism when he adhered to SSPX because he did not EXCLUSIVELY go to SSPX Masses.  That takes a lot of arrogance there to excuse yourself after the fact by coming up with your own adhoc defintions.

    Not only does he defend Jorge, but he's had to say that Joe Biden and Nancy Peℓσѕι are Catholics in good standing, while Traditional Catholics are not Catholics.  Talk about a diabolical inversion / perversion.  That takes a lot of wickedness and ego.  You see, most people (who are intellectually honest) when they reach such an absurdity by taking their principles to their logical conclusions will backtrack and re-examine the principles, realizing the argumentum ad absurdum.  It's what caused me to backtrack from my radically-dogmatic SVism years ago.  At one point, my principles led me to conclude that I was the only Catholic left in the world, or, in fact, even I wasn't Catholic.  So I realized how absurd that was and had to backtrack to figure out where I went wrong.  If I am trying to drive from Cleveland to Chicago but somehow end up in Houston, at some point I realize that I need to backtrack because I took a wrong turn.  NOT SALZA.  He shows up in Houston and claims that it's Chicago.

    In any case, his legalistic view of the Church is insanely ridiculous.  He has to reject the teaching of Pope St. Celestine that those who had been excommunicated by Nestorius from the moment he began to PREACH heresy (not years later when he was juridically declared deposed by the Holy See) were in no way excommunicated and excluded from the Church.  During the Arian crisis, 97-99% (depending on the estimates) of episcopal sees were taken over by Arian heretics.  Meanwhile, the orthodox Catholic bishops were going around consecrating (without any mandate from Rome) and setting up as parallel bishops in the Arian-occupied districts orthodox Catholic priests.  Acccording to Salza, the Arians were the Catholics and these anti-Arians were non-Catholics.  In fact, according to Salza, had these 97%+ of Arian bishops succeeded in getting their man on the See of Peter, then the entire Church would be Arian and all the anti-Arians would have been outside the Church and non-Catholics.  It's frothing-at-the-mouth insane, Salza.

    Wow. I don't see how Salza can have much of a following, even in the Indult world. He sounds typically Novus Ordo in his views. It is interesting that you point out that he was a radically-dogmatic sedevacantist. Now he's moved radically in the other direction. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Salza calls the SSPX and Sedes Schismatics
    « Reply #57 on: January 13, 2023, 04:17:34 PM »
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  • This is the same Salza that has gotten many good reviews by SSPX folk for his co-authored book "True or False Pope", the book that Fr. Kramer has demolished on several points.

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    Re: Salza calls the SSPX and Sedes Schismatics
    « Reply #58 on: January 13, 2023, 04:28:21 PM »
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  • This is the same Salza that has gotten many good reviews by SSPX folk for his co-authored book "True or False Pope", the book that Fr. Kramer has demolished on several points.

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    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: Salza calls the SSPX and Sedes Schismatics
    « Reply #59 on: January 13, 2023, 04:32:00 PM »
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  • I guess I don’t care what he thinks.  As for declaring Benedict in Hell?  He should look to his own soul lest he lose it to rash judgment.