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Salvation not Indepenant of The Church and its Hierarchy
« on: May 31, 2013, 08:45:09 AM »
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  • It is interesting to see in the debate on the proper interpretation of the solemnly defined Dogma that there is no salvation outside the Church how the notion that salvation is somehow independent of the Catholic Church and its hierarchy does not seem to come into play.  For salvation comes to all who receive it through the work and prayers of the Bishops who make the soul-saving Sacraments available to us:

      For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord will be saved.

     How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed?  Or how shall they believe him of whom they have not heard?  And how shall they hear without a preacher?

      And how shall they preach unless they be sent, as it is written:  How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, of them that bring glad tidings of good things?  [Rom., 10: 13-15.]


    Are the hidden hierarchy preaching to us?  Are they the ones that are sent?

    Which hierarchy do we speak of when we acknowledge that salvation comes to us through them.  Which hierarchy does Saint Paul Speak?  Now are those being saved in our day being saved through the soul-saving sacraments made available to us through "illicit" or "irregular" Bishops or through the purported Bishops we do not know about and do not provide us with the soul-saving Sacraments?

    One cannot do evil that a good may come.  But according to some, the only Bishops making salvation accessible to us through the Sacraments, have obtained the ability to do so without permission.  But if this is the case they have done an evil that a good may come.  But have they done an evil?  Is it not true that the Apostolic Mandate was given in times past without formal consent?  Could one who insists that the known Bishops are irregular either affirm or deny (unless you do not know either way) whether they are aware of the historical fact that implied consent has been given in the past?  Is granting me the historical factual point granting me too much in your view.  Would this be selling the farm and admitting you could be wrong?  Or is there some other reason why the point is not granted?

    Salvation of souls is the highest law.  If some Pope, whether legitimately or apparently, seems to have insisted that in all circuмstances and in every occasion from now (the time such a declaration was made) until the end of time no Bishop is licit unless he has the formal consent of a Pope.  I would like to see the quote and would like to be shown how your understanding of this quote, if such a quote is available, would be such that a Pope would want such a discipline to circuмvent the salvation of souls by forcing men to do things illicitly or not at all and leaving us without a means to salvation.  It is not a doctrine that formal consent must be given.  Nor can what is contrary to the historical facts become a doctrine.

    Members of the Church are so through professing the faith, partaking of the Sacraments and submitting to legitimate authority.

    We gain contact with Christ through the Sacraments.

    What authority are we submitting to?  The hidden ones?  Or do we not submit to any legitimate authority because we do not know where they are?  

    No salvation outside the Church through the prayers and works of the hidden hierarchy or no salvation outside the Church through the prayers, works and soul-saving Sacraments of the Catholic hierarchy available to us?

    One would think the question rhetorical.  Certainly not that the contrary is the only possible conclusion.

    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church


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    « Reply #1 on: May 31, 2013, 09:10:51 AM »
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  • The Catholic hierarchy available to us numbers a very small few. It is the promise of the perpetuity of the Church and the efficacy of the Sacrifice of Christ on the Cross that is the ground for hope for all those who are presently denied access to the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass and the other Sacraments.

    Just as we are promised God's graces on weekdays when we do not attend Mass or Confession, so, too, are we promised those graces when we make spiritual Communion during this time of the near-total absence of the true Sacraments. This is just a long "day" of testing that will end sooner than later. Those who remain faithful will be rewarded with the privilege of eating from the Tree of Life, which Fruit is the Body and Blood of our Lord Jesus Christ.

    In any case, it is not only our right to oppose those who call themselves apostles but are liars; it is our sworn duty to do so. Those who are deceiving souls and making them twofold children of perdition are the enemies of the Church and Her Head and are not and cannot be channels of the graces God intends to pour out unto the salvation of souls.

    Most Sacred Heart of Jesus,  have mercy on us.
    This evil of heresy spreads itself. The doctrines of godliness are overturned; the rules of the Church are in confusion; the ambition of the unprincipled seizes upon places of authority; and the chief seat [the Papacy] is now openly proposed as a rewar


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    « Reply #2 on: May 31, 2013, 09:46:30 AM »
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  • Woywod on Successors to the Apostles:

    210. The bishops are the successors of the Apostles and are placed by Divine law over the individual churches, which they govern with ordinary authority under the authority of the Roman Pontiff. They are freely appointed by the Pope. If some college has received the right to elect the bishop, Canon 321 shall be observed, which requires the absolute majority of votes of all those who have the right to vote. (Canon 329.)  

    213. Every candidate to the episcopate, even those elected, presented or designated by the civil government, needs the canonical provision or institution in order to be the lawful bishop of a vacant diocese. The only one to institute a bishop is the Roman Pontiff. (Canon 332.)
    It would be comparatively easy for us to be holy if only we could always see the character of our neighbours either in soft shade or with the kindly deceits of moonlight upon them. Of course, we are not to grow blind to evil

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    « Reply #3 on: June 03, 2013, 11:28:56 AM »
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  • Quote from: Elements of Eccles. Law
    339. Q.-I. By whom and how were bishops appointed at various times?

    A. The history of appointments to episcopal sees may be divided chiefly into three periods. 1. First period.-Christ himself first chose his apostles. The apostles in turn appointed their successors, the bishops. The clergy and people not infrequently took part in the appointment of bishops, as made by the apostles. Afterwards, appointments to bishoprics were, as a rule,made conjointly by the metropolitan, the bishops of the province, the clergy, and the people of the vacant  diocese The elections seem to have been held  usually in provincial synods. According to some canonists, the people merely gave testimony of the character of the candidate; according to others, they actually exercised the elective franchise. It is certain that the laity are not jure divino possessed of the right of electing bishops. In some instances, especially where it was feared that these elections might give rise to dissensions, the metropolitan sent some bishop episcopus visitator to superintend the election.

    340. Bouix thus describes the mode of election of this period: First, the suffrage of the people or laity was necessary; second, that of the clergy of the vacant diocese was also required; third, the consent of the bishops of the province was, moreover, indispensable to the valid election of a bishop.

    341. Bishops,  however, were not unfrequently appointed even during this epoch, directly by the Holy See; especially is this true in regard to the West, where for the first four centuries bishops were directly and solely appointed by the Holy See.

    342. II. Second period.-In the twelfth century the right of electing bishops became vested solely and exclusively in cathedral chapters.

    343. III. Third period.-Owing to abuses consequent on elections by chapters, the Sovereign Pontiffs began, in the fourteenth century, to reserve to themselves the appointment of bishops. Clement V took the first step in this matter, by reserving the appointment to some bishoprics; John XXII. increased the number, and Pope Benedict XII (1334) finally reserved to the Holy See the appointment (i.e., the election and confirmation) of all the bishops of the Catholic world. Elections by chapters were consequently discontinued everywhere.  Afterwards, however, the right of election was restored to cathedral chapters in some parts of Germany, so that in these parts only bishops and archbishops are still, as of old, canonically elected by their cathedral chapters.

    344. Q. Were the Roman Pontiffs guilty of usurpation in reserving to themselves the appointment of bishops?

    A. By no means; for the Pope alone is, by virtue of his primacy, vested with potestas ordinaria, not only to confirm, but also to elect bishops. Hence it was only by the consent, express or tacit, of the Popes that others ever did or could validly elect bishops.
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    « Reply #4 on: June 03, 2013, 02:34:54 PM »
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  • (The following is taken from the American Ecclesiastical Review, April 1949, pages 337-342, published by the Catholic University of America Press. This is an exact reproduction of the text, and any emphasis in the text is from the original.)

    Episcopal Jurisdiction and the Roman See

    One of the most important contributions to sacred theology in recent years is to be found in the Holy Father’s teaching about the immediate source of episcopal jurisdiction within the Catholic Church. In his great encyclical letter Mystici corporis, issued June 29, 1943, Pope Pius XII spoke of the ordinary power of jurisdiction of the other Catholic bishops as something “bestowed upon them immediately” by the Sovereign Pontiff. (1) More than a year before the publication of the Mystici corporis the Holy Father brought out the same truth in his pastoral allocution to the parish priests and the Lenten preachers of Rome. In this address he taught that the Vicar of Christ on earth is the one from whom all other pastors in the Catholic Church “receive immediately their jurisdiction and their mission.” (2)

    In the latest edition of his classic work, Institutiones juris publici ecclesiastici, Msgr. Alfredo Ottaviani declares that this teaching, which was previously considered as probabilior or even as communis, must now be held as entirely certain by reason of what Pope Pius XII has said. (3) The thesis which must be accepted and taught as certain is an extremely valuable element in the Christian teaching about the nature of the true Church. Denial or even neglect of this thesis will inevitably prevent anything like an accurate like an accurate and adequate theological understanding of Our Lord’s function as the Head of the Church and of the visible unity of the kingdom of God on earth. Thus, in giving this doctrine the status of a definitely certain statement, the Holy Father has greatly benefited the work of sacred theology.

    The thesis that bishops derive their power of jurisdiction immediately from the Sovereign Pontiff is by no means a new teaching. In his brief Super soliditate, issued, Nov. 28, 1786, and directed against the teachings of the canonist Joseph Valentine Eybel, Pope Pius VI bitterly censured Eybel for that writer’s insolent attacks on the men who taught that the Roman Pontiff is the one “from whom the bishops themselves derive their authority.” (4) Pope Leo XIII, in his encyclical Satis cognitum, dated June 29, 1896, brought out a fundamental point in this teaching when he restated, with reference to those powers which the other rulers of the Church hold in common with St. Peter, the teaching of Pope St. Leo I that whatever God had given to these others He had given through the Prince of the Apostles. (5)

    That teaching had been enunciated explicitly in a communication of the Roman Church by Pope St. Innocent I, in his letter to the African bishops, issued Jan. 27, 417. This great Pontiff stated that “the episcopate itself and all the power of this name” come from St. Peter. (6) The doctrine propounded by Pope St. Innocent I was quite familiar to the African hierarchy. It had been developed and taught by the predecessors of the men to whom he wrote, in the first systemic and extensive explanation of the episcopacy within the Catholic Church. Towards the middle of the third century St. Cyprian, the Martyr-Bishop of Carthage, had elaborated his teaching on the function of St. Peter and of his cathedra as the basis of the Church’s unity. (7) St. Optatus, the Bishop of Milevis and an outstanding defender of the Church against the attacks of the Donatists had written, around the year 370, that Peter’s cathedra was the one See in which “unity is to be maintained by all,” (8) and that, after his fall, Peter had “alone received the keys of the kingdom of heaven, which were to be handed over also (communicandas) to the others.” (9)

    During the last years of the fourth century Pope St. Siricius had asserted the Petrine origin of the episcopate in his letter, cuм in unum, when he designated the Prince of the Apostles as the one “From whom both the Apostolate and the episcopate in Christ derived their origin.” (10) He introduced this concept into his writing as something with which those to whom his epistle was addressed were perfectly familiar. It was and it remained the traditional and common teaching of the Catholic Church.

    The thesis that bishops derive their power of jurisdiction immediately from the Roman Pontiff rather than immediately from Our Lord Himself had had a long and tremendously interesting history in the field of scholastic theology. St. Thomas Aquinas propounded it in his writings, without, however, dealing with it at any great length. (11) Two other outstanding mediaeval scholastics, Richard of Middleton (12) and Durandus, (13) followed his example. The outstanding pre-Tridentine theological treatise on the Church or Christ, the Summa de ecclesia of the Cardinal John de Turrecremata, went into the matter in minute detail. (14) Turrecremata elaborated most of the arguments which later theologians employed to demonstrate the thesis. Thomas de Vio, Cardinal Cajetan, contributed much to the development of the teaching in the period immediately preceding the Council of Trent. (15)

    During the Council of Trent, the thesis was debated by the Fathers themselves. (16) By far the strongest presentation of the doctrine lately set forth by Pope Pius XII was made in the Council of Trent by the great Jesuit theologian, James Laynez. (17) In many ways Laynez’ quaestiones, De origine jurisdictionis episcoporum and De modo quo jurisdictio a summo pontifice in episcopos derivatur, remain in the best sources of theological information on the relations of the other bishops in the Catholic Church to the Roman Pontiff to this day.

    During the century following the Council of Trent, three of the classical scholastic theologians wrote magnificent explanations and proofs of the thesis that episcopal authority in the Church of God is derived immediately from the Vicar of Christ on earth. St. Robert Bellarmine treated the question with his accustomed clarity and sureness, (18) using an approach somewhat different from that employed by Turrecremata and Laynez and closer to that of Cajetan. Francis Suarez dealt with the thesis in extenso in his Tractatus de legibus, and set forth certain explanations which completed the teaching of Laynez himself. (19) Francis Sylvius, in his Controversies, summarized the findings of his great predecessors in this field and gave what remains to this day probably the most effective brief presentation of the teaching in all scholastic literature. (20) During the same period a very brief but theologically sound treatment of the same subject was given by the Portugese Franciscan Francis Macedo in his De clavibus Petri. (21) Two of the leading sixteenth-century thomistic theologians, Dominic Soto, (22) and Dominic Bannez, (23) likewise included this teaching in their Commentaries.

    Pope Benedict XIV included an excellent treatment of this thesis in his great work De synodo diocesana. (24) Among the more recent authorities who have dealt with the question in a more worthy manner are the two Jesuit theologians, Dominic Palmieri (25) and Cardinal Louis Billot. (26) Cardinal Joseph Hergenroether treated the topic effectively and accurately in his great work Catholic Church and Christian State. (27)

    The most important opposition to the thesis, as might be expected, came from Gallican theologians. Bossuet (28) and Regnier (29) defended the Gallican cause on this question. Others, however, not infected with the Gallican virus, have opposed this teaching in times past. Noteworthy among these opponents were Francis de Victoria and Gabriel Vasquez. Victoria, outstanding theologian though he was, seems to have misconstrued the question at issue, and to have imagined that in some way the traditional teaching involved the implication that all bishops had been placed in their sees by appointment from Rome. (30) Vasquez, on the other hand, was attracted by a now outworn theory that episcopal jurisdiction was absolutely inseparable from the episcopal character, and that the Holy Father’s authority over his fellow bishops in the Church of Christ is to be explained by his power of removing or altering the material or subjects over which this jurisdiction is to be exercised. (31)

    The teaching of Pope Pius XII on the origin of the episcopal jurisdiction is not a claim that St. Peter and his successors in the Roman See have always appointed directly every other bishop within the Church of Jesus Christ. It does mean, however, that every other bishop who is the ordinary of a diocese holds his position by the consent and at least the tacit approval of the Holy See. Furthermore, it means that the Bishop of Rome can, according to the divine constitution of the Church itself, remove particular cases from the jurisdiction of the bishops and transfer them to his own jurisdiction. Finally it signifies that any bishop not in union with the Holy Father has no authority over the faithful.

    This teaching in no way involves a denial of the fact that the Catholic Church is essentially hierarchical as well as monarchical in its construction. It does not conflict with the truth that the residential bishops have ordinary jurisdiction, rather than merely delegated jurisdiction, in their own Churches. Actually it is a certainly true explanation of the origin of that ordinary jurisdiction in the consecrated men who rule the individual communities of the faithful as successors of the apostles and as subjects of the head of the apostolic college. It means that the power of jurisdiction of these men comes to them from Our Lord, but through His Vicar on earth, in whom alone the Church finds its visible center of unity in this world.

    Joseph Clifford Fenton

    The Catholic University of America
    Washington D.C.

    1. Cf. the NCWC edition, n. 42.
    2. Cf. Osservatore Romano, Feb. 18, 1942.
    3. Cf. Institutiones iuris publici ecclesiastici, 3rd edition (Typis Polyglottis Vaticanis, 1948), I, 413.
    4. Cf. DB, 1500.
    5. Cf. Codicis iuris canonici fontes, edited by Cardinal Pietro Gasparri (Typis Polyglottis Vaticanis, 1933), III, 489 f. The statement of Pope St. Leo I is to be found his fourth sermon, that on the second anniversary of his elevation to the papal office.
    6. DB, 100.
    7. Cf. Adhemar D’Ales, La theologie de Saint Cyprien (Paris: Beauchesne, 1922), pp. 130 ff.
    8. Cf. Libri sex contra Parmenianum Donatistam, II, 2.
    9. Cf. ibid., VII, 3.
    10. Cf. Ep.V.
    11. St. Thomas taught in his Summa contra gentiles, Lib, cap. 76, that, to conserve the unity of the Church, the power of the keys must be passed on, through Peter, to the other pastors of the Church. Subsequent writers also appealed to his teaching in the Summa theologica, in IIa-IIae, q. 39, art. 3, in his Commentary on the Sentences of Peter the Lombard, IV, dist. 20, art. 4, and in his Commentary on the Gospel according to St. Matthew, in cap. 16, n. 2, in support of the thesis that bishops derive their power of jurisdiction immediately from the Sovereign Pontiff.
    12. Cf. Richard’s Commentary on the Sentences, Lib. IV, dist. 24.
    13. Cf. D. Durandi a Sancto Porciano Ord. Praed. et Meldensis Episcopi in Petri Lombardi sententias theologicas libri IIII (Venice, 1586), Lib. IV, dist. 20, q. 5, n. 5, p. 354.
    14. Cf. Summa de ecclesia (Venice, 1561), Lib. II, chapters 54-64, pp. 169-188. Turrecremata’s thesis is identical with that set forth by Pope Pius XII, although his terminology is different. The Holy Father speaks of the bishops receiving their power of jurisdiction immediately from the Holy See, i.e., from Our Lord through the Sovereign Pontiff, Turrecremata, on the other hand, speaks of the bishops as receiving their power of jurisdiction mediately or immediately from the Holy Father, i.e., from him directly or from another empowered to act in his name.
    15. Cf. Cajetan’s De comparatione auctoritatis Papae et concilii, cap. 3, in Fr. Vincent Pollet’s edition of his Scripta theologica (Rome: The Angelicuм, 1935), I, 26f.
    16. Cf. Sforza Pallavicini Histoire du concile de Trente (Montrouge: Migne, 1844), Lib. XVIII, chapters 14ff; Lib. XXI, chapters 11 and 13, II, 1347ff; III, 363ff; Hefele-Leclercq, Histoire des conciles (Paris: Letouzey et Ane, 1907ff.), IX, 747ff.; 776ff.
    17. In Hartmann Grisar’s edition of Laynez’ Disputationes Tridentinae (Innsbruck, 1886), I, 97-318.
    18. Cf. De Romano Pontifice, Lib. IV, chapters 24 and 25.
    19. Cf. Lib. IV, cap. 4, in Migne’s IV, cap. 4, in Migne’s Theologicae cursus completes (MTCC) XII, 596 ff. Suarez touches upon this matter in his treatise, De fide, tract. X, section 1. Pontifice in his Opus de triplici virtute theologica, De fide, tract. X, section 1.
    20. Cf. Lib. IV, q. 2, art. 5, in the Opera omnia (Antwerp, 1698), V, 302 ff.
    21. Cf. De clavibus Petri (Rome, 1560), Lib. I, cap. 3, pp. 36 ff.
    22. Cf. In quartam sententiarum (Venice, 1569), dist. 20, q. 1, art. 2, conclusion 4, I, 991.
    23. Cf. Scholastica commentaria in secundam secundae Angelici Doctoris D. Thomae (Venice, 1587), in q. 1, art. 10, dub. 5, concl. 5, columns 497 ff.
    24. Cf. In Lib. I, cap. 4, n. 2 ff., in MTCC, XXV, 816 ff.
    25. Cf. Tractatus de Romano Pontifice (Rome, 1878), 373 ff.
    26. Cf. Tractatus de ecclesia Christi, 5th edition (Rome: The Gregorian University, 1927) I, 563 ff.
    27. Cf. Catholic Church and Christian State (London, 1876), I, 168 ff.
    28. Cf. Defensio declarationis cleri Gallicani, Lib. VIII, chapters 11-15, in the Oeuvres completes (Paris, 1828), XLII, 182-202.
    29. Cf. Tractatus de ecclesia Christi, pars. II, sect. 1, in MTCC, IV, 1043 ff.
    30. Cf. Relectiones undecim, in Rel. II, De potestate ecclesiae, (Salamanca, 1565), pp. 63 ff.
    31. Cf. In primam secundae Sancti Thomae (Lyons, 1631), II, 31.
    It would be comparatively easy for us to be holy if only we could always see the character of our neighbours either in soft shade or with the kindly deceits of moonlight upon them. Of course, we are not to grow blind to evil