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Saint Mary's puts on Controversial Play !
« on: September 09, 2019, 09:05:46 PM »
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  • Twelfth Night, or What You Will is a comedy by William Shakespeare, believed to have been written around 1601–1602 as a Twelfth Night's entertainment for the close of the Christmas season. The play centres on the twins Viola and Sebastian, who are separated in a shipwreck.


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    Re: Saint Mary's puts on Controversial Play !
    « Reply #1 on: September 09, 2019, 11:00:36 PM »
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  • Twelfth Night Summary
    Viola, separated from her twin Sebastian, dresses as a boy and works for the Duke Orsino, whom she falls in love with. Orsino is in love with the Countess Olivia, and sends Viola to court her for him, but Olivia falls for Viola instead. Sebastian arrives, causing a flood of mistaken identity, and marries Olivia. Viola then reveals she is a girl and marries Orsino. 
    Not really appropriate with all the cross identity agendas being pushed now in the church and society.


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    Re: Saint Mary's puts on Controversial Play !
    « Reply #2 on: September 11, 2019, 08:17:02 PM »
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  • "Twelfth Night" has been performed at Christendom College, as well as Hillsdale College and Bob Jones University.  I seriously doubt anyone at any of these places thought of it as "controversial" or as a way to garner sympathy for dismantling of traditional gender roles.

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    Re: Saint Mary's puts on Controversial Play !
    « Reply #3 on: September 11, 2019, 08:48:54 PM »
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  • Most of Shakespeare's comedies involve cross dressing, including the iconic Merchant of Venice
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

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    Re: Saint Mary's puts on Controversial Play !
    « Reply #4 on: September 11, 2019, 09:16:09 PM »
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  • I once attacked Shakespeare like the OP. Now I have softened. I understand why people objected to the SSPX youth performing Oscar Wilde, but if we can't perform Shakespeare, then there will be no plays except for Nativity and Passion plays and plays about the saints. I imagine there were priests who objected to the theater, but in Shakespeare's time all the priests were in hiding and the country was ruled by protestants so I don't know if they objected to his plays. I know that Shakespeare plays are commonly performed by Catholics. I would recommend The Merchant Of Venice, played as it should be as a comedy, and not in the silly Jєω approved way of trying to convert it into a tragedy with Shylock being the sympathetic victim.
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    Re: Saint Mary's puts on Controversial Play !
    « Reply #5 on: September 11, 2019, 09:20:08 PM »
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  • The Merchant of Venice, Act IV, Scene I

    (Portia speaking to Shylock on the quality of mercy, which he does not understand since he's a Jєω).



    The quality of mercy is not strained;

    It droppeth as the gentle rain from heaven
    Upon the place beneath.


    It is twice blest;
    It blesseth him that gives and him that takes:


    'T is mightiest in the mightiest; it becomes
    The throned monarch better than his crown:


    His sceptre shows the force of temporal power,
    The attribute to awe and majesty,


    Wherein doth sit the dread and fear of kings;
    But mercy is above this sceptred sway;


    It is enthronèd in the hearts of kings,
    It is an attribute to God himself;


    And earthly power doth then show likest God's
    When mercy seasons justice.


    Therefore, Jєω,
    Though justice be thy plea, consider this,
    That, in the course of justice, none of us
    Should see salvation: we do pray for mercy;


    And that same prayer doth teach us all to render
    The deeds of mercy. I have spoke thus much
    To mitigate the justice of thy plea;


    Which if thou follow, this strict court of Venice
    Must needs give sentence 'gainst the merchant there.

    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Saint Mary's puts on Controversial Play !
    « Reply #6 on: June 03, 2021, 04:56:42 PM »
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  • I seriously doubt anyone at any of these places thought of it as "controversial" or as a way to garner sympathy for dismantling of traditional gender roles.
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    Re: Saint Mary's puts on Controversial Play !
    « Reply #7 on: June 03, 2021, 07:32:31 PM »
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  • the majority of plays along with actors of past and present were and are trash. Most of it is a waste of time.  It has been used as liberal propaganda. 






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    Re: Saint Mary's puts on Controversial Play !
    « Reply #8 on: June 03, 2021, 08:50:39 PM »
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  • the majority of plays along with actors of past and present were and are trash. Most of it is a waste of time.  It has been used as liberal propaganda.
    I agree!
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    Re: Saint Mary's puts on Controversial Play !
    « Reply #9 on: June 03, 2021, 09:43:24 PM »
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    the majority of plays along with actors of past and present were and are trash. Most of it is a waste of time.  It has been used as liberal propaganda. 
    Too broad of a brush.  The arts have their place in a catholic society.  In fact, there was no time in history when some art flourished more, than in the catholic Middle Ages.  

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    Re: Saint Mary's puts on Controversial Play !
    « Reply #10 on: June 03, 2021, 09:55:45 PM »
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  • There used to be a public play in every city all over Europe after mass on every Holy Day (88 days).  

    But they were either religious (life of the saint etc) or historical (battle reenactment etc). 


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    Re: Saint Mary's puts on Controversial Play !
    « Reply #11 on: June 03, 2021, 10:13:46 PM »
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  • Too broad of a brush.  The arts have their place in a catholic society.  In fact, there was no time in history when some art flourished more, than in the catholic Middle Ages.  
    Yeah.  Ok. Instead of theatre, the Catholic Faith needed to flourish.  The average Catholic didn’t and doesn’t have time for the arts when they are working to support their households.  Theatre and other arts was pushed by Vatican II while most weren’t taught the faith.    Now look at the present condition of the Catholic Church.  
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    Re: Saint Mary's puts on Controversial Play !
    « Reply #12 on: June 03, 2021, 10:26:27 PM »
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    Theatre and other arts was pushed by Vatican II 
    ??? Theatre didn’t exist before V2?  ???

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    Re: Saint Mary's puts on Controversial Play !
    « Reply #13 on: June 03, 2021, 10:32:59 PM »
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  • The Merchant of Venice, Act IV, Scene I

    (Portia speaking to Shylock on the quality of mercy, which he does not understand since he's a Jєω).



    The quality of mercy is not strained;

    It droppeth as the gentle rain from heaven
    Upon the place beneath.


    It is twice blest;
    It blesseth him that gives and him that takes:


    'T is mightiest in the mightiest; it becomes
    The throned monarch better than his crown:


    His sceptre shows the force of temporal power,
    The attribute to awe and majesty,


    Wherein doth sit the dread and fear of kings;
    But mercy is above this sceptred sway;


    It is enthronèd in the hearts of kings,
    It is an attribute to God himself;


    And earthly power doth then show likest God's
    When mercy seasons justice.


    Therefore, Jєω,
    Though justice be thy plea, consider this,
    That, in the course of justice, none of us
    Should see salvation: we do pray for mercy;


    And that same prayer doth teach us all to render
    The deeds of mercy. I have spoke thus much
    To mitigate the justice of thy plea;


    Which if thou follow, this strict court of Venice
    Must needs give sentence 'gainst the merchant there.

    Joan Plowright's rendition is great. Audio attached below.
    Patience is a conquering virtue. The learned say that, if it not desert you, It vanquishes what force can never reach; Why answer back at every angry speech? No, learn forbearance or, I'll tell you what, You will be taught it, whether you will or not.
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    Re: Saint Mary's puts on Controversial Play !
    « Reply #14 on: June 03, 2021, 11:11:04 PM »
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  • Twelfth Night Summary
    Viola, separated from her twin Sebastian, dresses as a boy and works for the Duke Orsino, whom she falls in love with. Orsino is in love with the Countess Olivia, and sends Viola to court her for him, but Olivia falls for Viola instead. Sebastian arrives, causing a flood of mistaken identity, and marries Olivia. Viola then reveals she is a girl and marries Orsino.
    Not really appropriate with all the cross identity agendas being pushed now in the church and society.
    I studied Twelfth Night in a true Catholic school back in the fifties.
    Viola was separated from her twin, and presumably as a means of defense against lechers, she dressed as a boy. This has nothing to do with crossdressing as it is practised in our sick society. There is no controversy at all here. Lighten up and enjoy!
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