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Re: The Tridentine Catholic Movement
« Reply #20 on: November 25, 2025, 01:19:23 PM »
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... a Vatican Council was finally called and, unfortunately, its most famous decree of "Papal Infallibility" (which any devout Catholic always knew was true in the first place) seemed not only unnecessary but imprudent since Marxism/Communism and all of the other heresies that had sprung up in the 300 + years since Trent were all in full-swing at that time (the Manifesto, for example, being published in 1848). That famous yet unnecessary decree then became sort of a laughing stock to the secular press (it is still ridiculed and laughed at today, sadly).
One final point:  what you consider "unnecessary", the council fathers (and Pius IX), thought otherwise. The fact that it is a "laughing stock", ridiculed and laughed at by the world, is utterly irrelevant.  No dogma, no truth of revelation, is "unnecessary", nor do we take into account the scorn of the world when professing the true Faith.  Your attitude is impious, and such disdain for revealed truth should never be found on the lips of a Catholic.

Re: The Tridentine Catholic Movement
« Reply #21 on: November 25, 2025, 01:19:36 PM »
If Vatican I was not legitimately concluded prior to Vatican II, it's not the council's fault.  Blame Pope Pius IX, Leo XIII, St. Pius X, Benedict XV, Pius XI, and Pius XII.  They chose to keep it in the state it was.  It was their call, not ours.

Your theory is something like a husband blaming the meal itself for being unfinished, rather than recognizing that his wife (for whatever reason) didn’t finish cooking it.

So when the great deception came, whose fault is it that it was welcomed with such enthusiasm, facing virtually no opposition?

Bad Catholics.
I respectfully disagree. Your above statement is akin to saying that Popes Pius IX, Leo XIII, Pius X, Benedict XV, Pius XI and Pius XII were all "Bad Catholics." 


Re: The Tridentine Catholic Movement
« Reply #22 on: November 25, 2025, 01:21:38 PM »
One final point:  what you consider "unnecessary", the council fathers (and Pius IX), thought otherwise.
And you said in an above post that Pius IX was to blame anyway. You insinuated him and subsequent popes were "bad catholics."

Re: The Tridentine Catholic Movement
« Reply #23 on: November 25, 2025, 01:45:01 PM »
Your attitude is impious, and such disdain for revealed truth should never be found on the lips of a Catholic.
I simply believe the failure to address the most serious issues first at Vatican I (such as Marxism/Communism) and then to end the council without reconvening it (from 1870 until the 1929 Lateran Treaty, the popes stayed at the Vatican anyway and could have easily finished the incompleted Council) made the Vatican I council "imperfect" at the very least and it is my right to believe that after carefully assessing the facts. 

I do not disdain the decrees and revealed truths of Vatican I, I just believe that those decrees and revealed truths should have been dealt with later on while much more important issues were at hand (such as the error of Marxism/Communism which primarily contributed to the in-Church heresy of Modernism that many clergy publicly adhered to without being properly censured).

To not even reconvene Vatican I to formally address and oppose Marxism/Communism which lead to in-Church Modernism (which Pius X called "the synthesis of all heresies") after being "prisoners of the Vatican" from 1870 to 1929 and therefore having many great opportunities to do so, is why I have every right to believe what I believe and to offer simply ideas.

The Church Crisis we are all experiencing right now (and have been experiencing for over 60 years) goes back to the imperfect Vatican I Council. Had it been properly concluded and had not been unnecessarily left open for over 90 years when Modernism and Marxism/Communism was running rampant throughout the Catholic world, then we never would've had the robber council of Vatican II which was called for and finished by those same Modernists and Marxist/Communist clergy whom Vatican I failed to properly address and censure.


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Re: The Tridentine Catholic Movement
« Reply #24 on: November 25, 2025, 04:48:30 PM »
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God has permitted this crisis both as punishment and as correction, and we will never receive the correction if we insist that the crisis originated somewhere “out there” rather than within ourselves.

It was bad Catholics who kept offending God, refusing to amend their lives.
It was bad Catholics who would not pray the Rosary daily.
It was bad Catholics who refused to do penance and reparation for the conversion of sinners.
It was bad Catholics who would not make the First Saturdays as Our Lady asked.
It was bad Catholics generally who refused to recognize this is a spiritual war, and completely dropped the ball in using the spiritual weapons we were given.

So when the great deception came, whose fault is it that it was welcomed with such enthusiasm, facing virtually no opposition?

Bad Catholics.

Yes, God allowed the Crisis in the Church to allow the Wheat from the Cockle to self-separate into two groups: the elect and the reprobate. Read the Parable from Matthew 13: 


 24 Another parable he proposed to them, saying: The kingdom of heaven [the Church] is likened to a man [Jesus] that sowed good seeds in his field.  25 But while men were asleep, his enemy [Satan] came and oversowed cockle among the wheat and went his way. 26 And when the blade was sprung up, and had brought forth fruit, then appeared also the cockle.  27 And the servants of the goodman of the house [the Church Hierarchy] coming said to him: Sir, didst thou not sow good seed in thy field? whence then hath it cockle?  28 And he said to them: An enemy hath done this. And the servants said to him: Wilt thou that we go and gather it up?  29 And he said: No, lest perhaps gathering up the cockle, you root up the wheat also together with it.  30 Suffer both to grow until the harvest, and in the time of the harvest I will say to the reapers: Gather up first the cockle, and bind it into bundles to burn, but the wheat gather ye into my barn.
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 36 Then having sent away the multitudes, he came into the house, and his disciples came to him, saying: Expound to us the parable of the cockle of the field.  37 Who made answer and said to them: He that soweth the good seed, is the Son of man.  38 And the field, is the world. And the good seed are the children of the kingdom. And the cockle, are the children of the wicked one.  39 And the enemy that sowed them, is the devil. But the harvest is the end of the world. And the reapers are the angels.  40 Even as cockle therefore is gathered up, and burnt with fire: so shall it be at the end of the world.  41 The Son of man shall send his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all scandals, and them that work iniquity.  42 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.