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Author Topic: Saint John Cantius Devout Ordinary Form versus Deum Masses.  (Read 4117 times)

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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Saint John Cantius Devout Ordinary Form versus Deum Masses.
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2026, 11:07:21 PM »
Xavier Fem Nishant ... you are doing Satan's work in attempting people to stay in the Whore of Babylon, the Conciliar Anti-Church ... and you blaspheme by referring to Our Holy Mother Church as this whore.

Begone, Satan !

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Saint John Cantius Devout Ordinary Form versus Deum Masses.
« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2026, 11:15:27 PM »
The vast, vast majority of Novus Ordo Masses are nothing like this.

That's not an adequate answer to the heretic Nishant's trolling for the Satanic Anti-Church, since if the offiiclal / typical edition of the Novus Ordo were Catholic, then there would be no reason in conscience to reject it.  One would reject the aberrant renderings of it that take place almost everywhere.  After Berg's "Traditionis Custodes", many Dioceses replaced the Tridentine Mass with Bogus Ordo Latin smells and bells and chant.

That's not the answer.  Just because nearly all churches do it the Modernist way wouldn't render it to be intrinsically a "bastard Rite of Mass", but it would be simply a couple steps further than with Pius XII allowed Bugninin to do in 1955 to the Holy Week Rites.

CF the correct answer, namely, that the smells, bells, Latin, kneeling, chant, chapel veils, modest dress are merely putting lipstick on the Bogus Ordo pig, which was a Prot Liturgy.

Yet another point regarding validity can be made from Pope Leo XIII's "Apostolicae Curae", where he declares that the Anglican Ordinal would be "absolutely null and utterly void" even if they had fixed the essential form, since the intention of the Missal was vitiated from the outset by their systematic removal of all references to the priests's power to offer the Holy Sacrifice in order to accommodate the errors of the "reformers".  Bogus Ordo explicitly stated that their motivation was to remove from the Traditional Catholic Mass anything that might offend the sensibilities of the same heretics.  Applying the principles taught by Pope Leo XIII, that would render the Bogus Ordo invalid simply due to the wicked agenda of the reformers, where their intention was to Protestantize the Bogus Ordo.


Offline DecemRationis

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Re: Saint John Cantius Devout Ordinary Form versus Deum Masses.
« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2026, 12:26:06 AM »
Absolutely.  They put lipstick on the Novus Ordo pig.

Problem is precisely with the Offertory, and no amount of smells, bells, incense, chant, vestments, Latin, and Gregorian chant can make the heretical / blasphemous nature of the Bogus Ordo "Mass" go away.

Infiltrator Conciliar heretics replaced the Catholic Offertory with a Jєωιѕн table prayer.  Catholic (Tridentine) Offertory has the priest offering up the Spotless Victim in reparation for sin, whereas the Conciliar garbage says that the priest is offering bread and wine, the work of human hands, and fruit of the earth.  That's almost verbatim a Jєωιѕн table prayer.  Our Lord told Marie-Julie Jahenny that the Jews were behind the New Mass that was odious in His sight and contained "words from the abyss", which undoubtedly refers to this blasphemous replacement of the Catholic Offertory.

So, the Offertory is precisely what sets the intention of the entire Mass, since ... simply repeating the words of Our Lord could be done for any number of reasons, from simply re-enacting it and repeating the "institution narrative" (as the Modernists call it), just as a "commemoration".  It's precisely the Offertory which disambiguates different possible interparations of what the priest actually intends to do during the Canon (aka "Eucharistic Prayers" or "Anaphora").  In the invalid Bogus Ordo pseudo-Mass, it explicitly states that what is happening there is an offering of bread and wine.  Invalid.  Period.

But thanks for weighing in with the lies, Nishant, since you gave me an opportunity to expose the intrinsic invalidity of the Bogus Ordo.

Interestingly, recall the punishment God gave to Adam after his sin.  God cursed the earth in his work.  So , the fruit of the EARTH, the WORK of human hands, i.e. the earth in his work, is CURSED by God, and so the Conciliars offer up the curse and punishment.  Interestingly also, while Abel offered up a Victim (blood sacrifice), what did Cain offer?  Cain offerred the "fruit of the earth".  God rejected his offering of the fruit of the earth.

Run along now, you Conciliar heretic you !

Ouch.

I felt that as a bystander, who agrees with you.

Re: Saint John Cantius Devout Ordinary Form versus Deum Masses.
« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2026, 12:27:10 AM »
That's not an adequate answer to the heretic Nishant's trolling for the Satanic Anti-Church, since if the offiiclal / typical edition of the Novus Ordo were Catholic, then there would be no reason in conscience to reject it.  One would reject the aberrant renderings of it that take place almost everywhere.  After Berg's "Traditionis Custodes", many Dioceses replaced the Tridentine Mass with Bogus Ordo Latin smells and bells and chant.

I was merely stating the fact, and not seeking to make any other kind of statement or judgment, I'll leave that to others.  

Offline DecemRationis

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Re: Saint John Cantius Devout Ordinary Form versus Deum Masses.
« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2026, 12:39:49 AM »
Can anyone reasonably watch Videos like these from Saint John Cantius (listen from 40-55 minutes at least, for the Meat of the Mass, the Offertory, Roman Canon/Eucharistic Prayers etc) and somehow tell me the NOM is not valid or licit? 



Yeah, it's the offering of Cain. Is that judgment "reasonable"?

Well, the NOM literally offers the "fruit of the earth," just like Cain, word for word - see Gen. 4:3 - and the "work of human hands," which the Bible links with "idols." 

If  Cain dressed like those guys and swung censers and brought a choir with his rejected offering, do you think it would have made any difference to God?

God's not a man that He should lie, and He's not a deceiver, and can't be deceived.