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Offline Lover of Truth

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« on: February 27, 2010, 08:12:57 AM »
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  • Is the prophecy of our blessed Father St. Francis about our times?  

    "In Those Days Jesus Christ Will Send Them Not A True Pastor, But A Destroyer."--St. Francis of Assisi
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    « Reply #1 on: February 27, 2010, 12:58:48 PM »
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  • It's possible, or else he could be referring to some other time in history.


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    « Reply #2 on: February 27, 2010, 01:04:50 PM »
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  • Not a "true pastor" in the sense of being a morally reprehensible pastor.  Just like we say someone isn't a "true Catholic" in the sense of practicing evil, while making no juridical claims.  This is most fitting for JPII, et. al.  

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    « Reply #3 on: February 27, 2010, 07:26:06 PM »
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  • I do believe that the Prophecy of St. Francis is being lived
    out today, especially ever since October 1958.
    Just compare what Pope Pius X11 and his predecessors
    would have taught, and would have done, and compare
    it to what Pope John XXlll and his successors taught, and
    done. It is an entirely different ecclesi :incense:ology.

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    « Reply #4 on: February 27, 2010, 07:35:35 PM »
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  • I also believe that St. Francis either in this same or another prophecy spoke of an "uncanonically elected pope" -- which appears consistent with the Siri Thesis.


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    « Reply #5 on: February 27, 2010, 07:36:47 PM »
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  • I agree with Caminus that this expression does not unequivocally point to an Antipope--though it could.


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    « Reply #6 on: February 27, 2010, 07:43:10 PM »
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  • Ladislaus said:
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    I agree with Caminus that this expression does not unequivocally point to an Antipope.

     
    Anti-POPES, plural.

    Ladislaus, do you think it's some coincidence that all these guys feed off each other and build on each others' apostasy and heresy?   Are you yet another one of those who avoid the obvious conspiratorial nature of what we're seeing?  This is not about just some bad Pope, or heretical Pope.  It's about an entirely new religion being created by a series of false Popes.
    As I was a new convert when posting here, my posts are often full of error, even unwitting heresy and rash judgment, all of which I renounce, and all my writings are best avoided -- MDLS

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    « Reply #7 on: February 27, 2010, 09:22:50 PM »
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  • Raoul, I said nothing more here than that THIS QUOTE does not point unequivocally to an Antipope.


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    « Reply #8 on: February 27, 2010, 11:30:57 PM »
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  • Quote from: Ladislaus
    Raoul, I said nothing more here than that THIS QUOTE does not point unequivocally to an Antipope.


    Kudos to Ladislaus for being faithful to the truth in this instance. It never hurts to be accurate, or to admit something that is true.

    Don't try to make him say more than he said, Raoul. If everyone posted like him, there would be far less misunderstandings and confusion in the Catholic world.

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    « Reply #9 on: February 28, 2010, 12:08:46 AM »
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  • I know, just wanted to point out this is about more than a "Pope."  One of my pet peeves is when people act as if we're just dealing with an individual Pope who happens to have some questionable views, rather than with an organized takeover.  Lather, rinse, repeat.  We go through the same process with each Pope, acting as if they are autonomous beings, but THEY'RE ALL FROM THE SAME STOCK.  Just as real Popes all guard the deposit of faith, these guys all guard the deposit of confusion, ambiguity and lies.  There is nothing more to be expected from that quarter,  any more than there is anything to be expected from the American government.  Come out of her, my people, so ye be not partakers of her sins, etc.

    I agree on the quote.  But after Ladislaus said that Ratzinger's view of the resurrection was "rather beautiful" or something to that effect I have been on his case.  Ladislaus is like Caminus with a slightly more sede-leaning veneer.  I don't even know who I'm talking to anymore.  I'm basically tilting at windmills at this point.  
    As I was a new convert when posting here, my posts are often full of error, even unwitting heresy and rash judgment, all of which I renounce, and all my writings are best avoided -- MDLS

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    « Reply #10 on: February 28, 2010, 12:12:55 AM »
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  • Mo is that the quote certainly does refer to at least one anti-pastor.  
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'


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    « Reply #11 on: February 28, 2010, 05:43:58 AM »
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  • Quote from: Raoul76
    I agree on the quote.  But after Ladislaus said that Ratzinger's view of the resurrection was "rather beautiful" or something to that effect I have been on his case.  Ladislaus is like Caminus with a slightly more sede-leaning veneer.  I don't even know who I'm talking to anymore.  I'm basically tilting at windmills at this point.  


    I try to remain as objective as possible.  I think that we all need to be that way lest we be led into error and even a false bitter zeal.

    If Benedict XVI says something good or true, I don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

    I said that (I think he was just Father when he made the statement on Resurrection) Ratzinger could have been saying something rather "profound" in his statements on the Resurrection--even if the language might have been very poor at times.

    Theologians agree that our souls find completion only when united with our bodies, i.e. that our souls are in an incomplete state somehow until they're reunited with our bodies, so that the Resurrection entails not merely a restoration or resuscitation of the bodies but a completion of our souls as well, thus a Resurrection of the person.  I don't see anything wrong with that and actually think it's interesting.

    With that said, there does appear once again this modernist hubris, this tendency towards gnosticism, in the implicit disparagement of those who held a "crass" or "narrow" or "primitive" view of the subject.  In point of fact, pre-V2 theologians have spoken of this completion of the soul at Resurrection well before he did. I remember discussing something along these lines during classes at the seminary in Winona.

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    « Reply #12 on: February 28, 2010, 06:01:38 AM »
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    « Reply #13 on: February 28, 2010, 05:14:14 PM »
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  • If more of the words of St Francis were provided, it would be easier to tell what he is referring to. What is the source of quote?
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'

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    « Reply #14 on: February 28, 2010, 05:19:52 PM »
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  • Quote from: roscoe
    If more of the words of St Francis were provided, it would be easier to tell what he is referring to. What is the source of quote?


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