Author Topic: R&R -- why don't you get behind Father Chazal's sede-impoundism? (Read 55212 times)

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #565 on:** June 09, 2023, 08:01:27 PM »

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There's too much handwringing here that comes from the inability to "judge" what kind of heretic Jorge is, but it's all in vain, as we can never get to the bottom of it.

That’s my point. The only people who can figure this out are those in the Church. I’m sick and tired of sedes using 3rd-grade logic to argue that laity and simple priests can kick someone out of office for heresy. It’s causing untold division in Tradition and it’s irrationality leads to more and more chaos as the years go by.

EWPJ · « **Reply #566 on:** June 09, 2023, 10:30:45 PM »

Quote from: Pax Vobis on June 09, 2023, 08:01:27 PM

That’s my point. The only people who can figure this out are those in the Church. I’m sick and tired of sedes using 3rd-grade logic to argue that laity and simple priests can kick someone out of office for heresy. It’s causing untold division in Tradition and it’s irrationality leads to more and more chaos as the years go by.

We don't kick them out, The Holy Ghost does, we just recognize that fact.

It would be like if we saw some guy blatantly stealing from a store and running out without paying, the store clerks upset that the guy didn't pay for it and saying such, and then being like "nope, we need to wait for the police to catch him and the judge to sentence him for theft before we can recognize that he stole something."

Catholic Knight · « **Reply #567 on:** June 10, 2023, 07:56:57 AM »

Quote from: Pax Vobis on June 09, 2023, 04:54:42 PM

And this is precisely the sin that ONLY the church can judge. All that laymen or priests can “judge” is simply that something is not true or anti-catholic or that someone is acting like a heretic and should be avoided/ignored. Everything else, legally and definitively, is handled by Church authorities.

So the PUBLIC SIN of heresy can be judged only by the Church? If this is what you are saying, then prove it. Show me where the Church teaches that only she can judge the PUBLIC SIN of heresy. And don't show me evidence from Canon Law. This is an issue regarding moral theology.

Catholic Knight · « **Reply #568 on:** June 10, 2023, 07:58:28 AM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on June 09, 2023, 06:54:00 PM

I don't quite understand the contradiction of claiming that we can judge an alleged Ecuмenical Council and the Church's Mass, but somehow we can't "judge" Bergoglio to be a heretic. If Bergoglio isn't a manifest heretic, there's no such thing. When people say that, they're confounding internal forum judgment with judgment of fact, but even the Church doesn't judge the internal forum.

Bingo!

Catholic Knight · « **Reply #569 on:** June 10, 2023, 08:03:00 AM »

Quote from: Pax Vobis on June 09, 2023, 08:01:27 PM

That’s my point. The only people who can figure this out are those in the Church. I’m sick and tired of sedes using 3rd-grade logic to argue that laity and simple priests can kick someone out of office for heresy. It’s causing untold division in Tradition and it’s irrationality leads to more and more chaos as the years go by.

Who said that one who sees and judges that another is a public manifest formal heretic can then proceed to kick the heretic out of office? That one just simply does not recognize the heretic as holding the office that he, the heretic, may have at one time held.

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