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Re: R&R -- why don't you get behind Father Chazal's sede-impoundism?
« Reply #435 on: May 31, 2023, 11:53:43 AM »

God forbid the SSPX ever does.

There’s evidence to support the suspicion they already did.

Re: R&R -- why don't you get behind Father Chazal's sede-impoundism?
« Reply #436 on: May 31, 2023, 11:55:34 AM »
Yes, very interesting. The sedevacantists (not all of them, however, but generally) claim that if we believe that the Franics is the pope, then we cannot resist him. The ralliers believe the same - that we (the SSPX and Resistance) must be in full communion with the Pope and Rome. It's basically the same principle.

Yes, they have no conception of causes excusing from obedience, which they think all impeded by V1.


Re: R&R -- why don't you get behind Father Chazal's sede-impoundism?
« Reply #437 on: May 31, 2023, 12:12:07 PM »
While you oversimplify the principle (it's not about resistance but about the indefectibility of the Church), this is in fact correct.  Conservative Novus Ordites and Sedevacantists adhere to the same Major, the eminently Catholic principle that legitimate Catholic Magisterium and the Public Worship of the Church cannot become corrupt.  This principle has only been taught by every Pope, Father, Doctor, and theologian throughout the entire history of the Catholic Church ... and has been denied only by Old Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, and Protestants prior to the creation of mainstream "R&R" theology.

By R&R I refer to some modern types who claim falsely to be heirs of Archbishop Lefebvre.  Archbishop Lefebvre himself upheld the principle of the Major that the Papacy is protected by the Holy Spirit from corrupting the Church.  He simply questioned the Minor in terms of how this could have come about.  So those who try to defend their Old Catholic position as being that of Lefebvre are slandering him.

Puking out the same lying slop without regard for refutation, and insisting on attributing a position to the Resistance which only exists in your own mind.

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Re: R&R -- why don't you get behind Father Chazal's sede-impoundism?
« Reply #438 on: May 31, 2023, 12:23:01 PM »

He's either Robert Siscoe or John Salza.
I doubt Siscoe or Salza would screw up very simple Latin, and mistake nulla salus for nullo salus, as I read in one former post.  Salus is a feminine noun and nulla is the only option.  This is basic, junior Latin.  On second thought, presuming that they have not studied the language it might be one of these men in question. 

But as for Invincible Ignorance, unless it has escaped me, I have never found that the Church has defined the subject of invincible ignorance.  I know some theologians have theorized as to what it may or may not mean, but we throw this term around as though it is a carte blanche ticket into heaven.  Fr Wathen asked the question many years ago, Why is it that these pygmies in Swahililand, Australia, can know about Coca Cola, but they somehow cannot know about the Catholic Church? 

Re: R&R -- why don't you get behind Father Chazal's sede-impoundism?
« Reply #439 on: May 31, 2023, 12:32:25 PM »
I doubt Siscoe or Salza would screw up very simple Latin, and mistake nulla salus for nullo salus, as I read in one former post.  Salus is a feminine noun and nulla is the only option.  This is basic, junior Latin.

But as for Invincible Ignorance, unless it has escaped me, I have never found that the Church has defined the subject of invincible ignorance.  I know some theologians have theorized as to what it may or may not mean, but we throw this term around as though it is a carte blanche ticket into heaven.  Fr Wathen asked the question many years ago, Why is it that these pygmies in Swahililand, Australia, can know about Coca Cola, but they somehow cannot know about the Catholic Church? 

it sounds like because the libs want to exaggerate the extent of invincible ignorance, Fr. Watgen was denying its existence altogether?

I note this Feeneyite characteristic rearing it’s head in the Newman discussion as well:

Because the libs misappropriated his ideas, he’s a modernist (and no endorsement of the antimodernist pope can change their minds).

It’s a peculiarity of the Anglo-Saxon psyche in some to react in this fashion.