The Church is more than just doctrine.  

It is well known that most Modernists in Pope St Pius X's days started their plotting in the liturgical area, which is the PRACTICAL application of doctrine.  The V2 anti-church has corrupted people's application/attitude/practices of the Faith, even if the core tenants of the Faith are still "pure".  Example: The core doctrine of "temporal punishment due to sin" (i.e. purgatory) is still believed, but in practice, the V2 church no longer has requiem masses, nor encourages the faithful to pray for the dead.

2 of my novus ordo neighbors told me about some family members who had died and I offered to pray for their souls and started talking about purgatory.  They quickly changed the subject and didn't want to be bothered about it. 

New Catechism: 1030 All who die in God’s grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified, are indeed assured of their eternal salvation; but after death they undergo purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven.

1031 The Church gives the name Purgatory to this final purification of the elect, which is entirely different from the punishment of the damned. The Church formulated her doctrine of faith on Purgatory especially at the Councils of Florence and Trent. the tradition of the Church, by reference to certain texts of Scripture, speaks of a cleansing fire:

As for certain lesser faults, we must believe that, before the Final Judgment, there is a purifying fire. He who is truth says that whoever utters blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will be pardoned neither in this age nor in the age to come. From this sentence we understand that certain offenses can be forgiven in this age, but certain others in the age to come.

1032 This teaching is also based on the practice of prayer for the dead, already mentioned in Sacred Scripture: “Therefore Judas Maccabeus] made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin.” From the beginning the Church has honored the memory of the dead and offered prayers in suffrage for them, above all the Eucharistic sacrifice, so that, thus purified, they may attain the beatific vision of God. The Church also commends almsgiving, indulgences, and works of penance undertaken on behalf of the dead:

Let us help and commemorate them. If Job’s sons were purified by their father’s sacrifice, why would we doubt that our offerings for the dead bring them some consolation? Let us not hesitate to help those who have died and to offer our prayers for them.

They still go to weekly church and are considered "good" catholics.  It was very odd behavior for a catholic; but very typical for a novus ordo protestant...which is what they've been TRAINED TO BE.

A baptized child of 6, who is in the state of grace, is NOT invincibly ignorant.  Quite the contrary.  A person in the state of grace, at the age of reason, has the Holy Ghost within him and thus is prompted by Him to a) stay in the state of grace/follow the 10 commandments and b) seek God and Truth (if they aren't practicing the Faith or don't know of it).


There are innumerable stories of young children of 7, 8, 9, 10 years old who were baptized as some type of protestant.  These children had catholic friends and the protestant children would go to the catholic church a few times in their childhood with their friends.  It wasn't until they became teenagers or young adults that they converted to the Faith because "they always liked the Catholic Church they had visited" and/or "there was something I was drawn to".

This is grace building upon good nature.  They converted in God's time and followed His promptings.

Or how about the millions and millions of apparitions/holy dreams that are happening all over the Middle East right now?  Muslims are hearing about Christ and He is appearing to them in dreams, telling them to "Follow Me" and then He gives them instructions to go to some place, at a specific time and look for a specific person.  Who turns out to be a Christian.  They end up getting baptized.

A muslim would be "invincibly ignorant" and look at what God is doing for them.  Look how He is calling those of good will.

A baptized child is the Temple of the Holy Ghost...all God has to do is speak to them in their heart.  There's no way they are ignorant (unless, by sin, they close their heart to Him).

And you've been banned on the grounds that CathInfo is a forum for all TRADITIONAL CATHOLICS and you are some sort of weird Conciliar/Dogmatic Home Aloner hybrid who rejects the Traditional Movement AND the errors of the Council.

But they’re not home-aloners, as Matthew said this guy was?

Who told you the Roman Catholic Church after V2 no longer encourages the faithful to pray for the dead?  You live in fantasy land.

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This is the same Salza that has gotten many good reviews by SSPX folk for his co-authored book "True or False Pope", the book that Fr. Kramer has demolished on several points.

One in the state of grace has the Holy Ghost inside of them.  Are you saying it's possible for one to have the Holy Ghost in their soul and yet be invincibly ignorant?  That's a contradiction.

Are you still rolling your eyes Sean, or can you finally see it?



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