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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: R&R -- why don't you get behind Father Chazal's sede-impoundism?
« Reply #350 on: May 30, 2023, 09:51:29 PM »
Our Lady of Lasalette said “the church will be in eclipse”.  The V2 church isn’t the True Faith. 

Re: R&R -- why don't you get behind Father Chazal's sede-impoundism?
« Reply #351 on: May 30, 2023, 10:02:37 PM »
Our Lady of Lasalette said “the church will be in eclipse”.  The V2 church isn’t the True Faith.

Everything that was de fide before Vatican II is de fide today, and nothing has been proposed as de fide since Vatican II that was not already de fide before the Council.  What that means is that the faith taught by the Church has not changed.  


Re: R&R -- why don't you get behind Father Chazal's sede-impoundism?
« Reply #352 on: May 30, 2023, 10:43:44 PM »
Our Lady of Lasalette said “the church will be in eclipse”.  

That's not in the original approved message.  It comes from later version written in 1879, which was placed on the Index.  Here is the original, approved message of LaSallette:


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Mélanie, I will say something to you which you will not say to anybody:
 
"The time of the God's wrath has arrived!
 
"If, when you say to the people what I have said to you so far, and what I will still ask you to say, if, after that, they do not convert, (if they do not do penance, and they do not cease working on Sunday, and if they continue to blaspheme the Holy Name of God), in a word, if the face of the earth does not change, God will be avenged against the people ungrateful and slave of the demon.
 
"My Son will make his power manifest! Paris, this city soiled by all kinds of crimes, will perish infallibly. Marseilles will be destroyed in a little time. When these things arrive, the disorder will be complete on the earth, the world will be given up to its impious passions.
 
"The pope will be persecuted from all sides, they will shoot at him, they will want to put him to death, but no one will be able to do it, for the Vicar of God will triumph again this time.
 
"The priests and the Sisters, and the true servants of my Son will be persecuted, and several will die for the faith of Jesus-Christ.
 
"A famine will reign at the same time.
 
"After all these will have arrived, many will recognize the hand of God on them, they will convert, and do penance for their sins.
 
"A great king will go up on the throne, and will reign a few years. Religion will re-flourish and spread all over the world, and there will be a great abundance, the world, glad not to be lacking nothing, will fall again in its disorders, will give up God, and will be prone to its criminal passions.
 
"[Among] God's ministers, and the Spouses of Jesus-Christ, there will be some who will go astray, and that will be the most terrible.
 
"Lastly, hell will reign on earth. It will be then that the Antichrist will be born of a Sister, but woe to her! Many will believe in him, because he will claim to have come from heaven, woe to those who will believe in him!
 
"That time is not far away, twice 50 years will not go by.
 
"My child, you will not say what I have just said to you. (You will not say it to anybody, you will not say if you must say it one day, you will not say what that it concerns), finally you will say nothing anymore until I tell you to say it!

Nothing about Rome losing the faith and becoming the seat of Antichrist, or about the Church being eclipsed, in the original approved message. 
 



Re: R&R -- why don't you get behind Father Chazal's sede-impoundism?
« Reply #353 on: May 30, 2023, 11:26:01 PM »
That's not in the original approved message.  It comes from later version written in 1879, which was placed on the Index.  Here is the original, approved message of LaSallette:


Nothing about Rome losing the faith and becoming the seat of Antichrist, or about the Church being eclipsed, in the original approved message.
 

Yes, unfortunately Archbishop Lefebvre also quoted the same words during his Consecration sermon.

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: R&R -- why don't you get behind Father Chazal's sede-impoundism?
« Reply #354 on: May 31, 2023, 05:29:14 AM »
That's not in the original approved message.  It comes from later version written in 1879, which was placed on the Index.  Here is the original, approved message of LaSallette:


Nothing about Rome losing the faith and becoming the seat of Antichrist, or about the Church being eclipsed, in the original approved message.
 

No, but Cardinal Ciappi, who read the Third Secret, stated that it refers to an apostasy that begins at the top.  Padre Pio told Father Amorth that the Third Secret deals with the infiltration of the Church by Masonry (such as the Sons of Italy ... hmmm) and the establishment of a Counter Church.  Sister Lucy said that the Secret had to be revealed by about 1960 because it would become much clearer then.  We know that the Masons have openly stated that their goal was the takeover of the papacy, where Pope Leo XIII saw this in his famous vision, referring in his subsequent extended Exorcism prayer to the Masons attempts to take over the papacy, etc.  Catholic prophecy is filled with predictions of an Antipope, a Counter Church, an Eclipse of the Church, an Apostasy ... followed by a subsequent restoration of the Church.  When we see the destruction that has resulted directly from Vatican II, only an idiot or someone of bad will cannot connect the dots here.  Which one are you?