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Author Topic: R&R -- why don't you get behind Father Chazal's sede-impoundism?  (Read 56792 times)

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Offline Meg

Re: R&R -- why don't you get behind Father Chazal's sede-impoundism?
« Reply #240 on: May 19, 2023, 05:35:55 PM »
St. Robert Bellarmine's teaching was confirmed by Pope Pius XII in Mystici Corporis.


Where in Mystici Corporis is Bellarmine's teaching confirmed?

Mystici Corporis Christi (June 29, 1943) | PIUS XII (vatican.va)

Offline AnthonyPadua

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Re: R&R -- why don't you get behind Father Chazal's sede-impoundism?
« Reply #241 on: May 19, 2023, 07:32:40 PM »
"Therefore, it cannot be maintained that Joseph Ratzinger is a heretic, on the basis of the specious and false pretext that he has asserted heretical disbelief in dogmas by incorrectly explicating those dogmas which in their proper content include in themselves the notion of created substance composed of matter and form, or that he has explained other dogmas in such a manner that involves his argument in some basic contradiction. He has professed belief in the dogmas, but has explained them in a logically incoherent and sometimes contradictory manner, but without directly, immediately, explicitly, and knowingly asserting disbelief in the dogmas themselves, which alone would be an indicium of formal heresy that constitutes proof of formal heresy; yet, as I have explained, his exposition on their meaning contain propositions which, considered in themselves, contain material heresy in that the contrary part of his contradictory assertions are opposed to the dogmas which he does profess, and, due to his faulty understanding of the philosophical concepts which underlie some dogmas, he does not always profess those dogmas according to their proper sense as the Church has defined them. Hence, there are not to be found the indicia of formal heresy in the writings of Joseph Ratzinger, who is still at present, Pope Benedict XVI, the Vicar of Christ on earth."

Kramer, Paul. On the true and the false pope: The case against Bergoglio (pp. 602-603). Gondolin Press. Kindle Edition.

I agree with Fr. Paul Kramer.
Is not praying with muslims in mosques apostasy? Or praying with jews in ѕуηαgσgυєs?


Offline Ladislaus

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Re: R&R -- why don't you get behind Father Chazal's sede-impoundism?
« Reply #242 on: May 19, 2023, 07:52:12 PM »
Is not praying with muslims in mosques apostasy? Or praying with Jєωs in ѕуηαgσgυєs?

Actions make someone suspect of heresy, and Canon Law presumes it after 6 months of such activity, but Canon Law is not above the pope.

Nevertheless, the track record of heresy from Ratzinger is overwhelming, to the point that even Bishop Tissier referred to him as a heretic "worse than Luther."

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: R&R -- why don't you get behind Father Chazal's sede-impoundism?
« Reply #243 on: May 19, 2023, 07:55:45 PM »
"Therefore, it cannot be maintained that Joseph Ratzinger is a heretic ...

Maybe he is a heretic.  Maybe he isn't.  Sure seems like one to me.  That video from the Dimond Brothers lays it out so clearly that there's almost no doubt.  But people can argue that both ways, and so it's a waste of time.

All I know is that he was either no Pope or he was being coerced or blackmailed, since a legitimate Pope is guided by the Holy Spirit and cannot preside over this false Conciliar Church.

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: R&R -- why don't you get behind Father Chazal's sede-impoundism?
« Reply #244 on: May 19, 2023, 07:58:33 PM »
Fr. Paul Kramer, in Volume II, defends Joseph Ratzinger from those who accuse him of public manifest formal heresy.

You always write about Father Kramer in the third person, but I strongly suspect that you're actually Father Kramer.  I don't have any issues with that at all, but simply making an observation.  You are so intimately familiar with Father Kramer's works and even your own posts reflect his style.

I have a great deal of respect for Father Kramer, and it is for that reason that I would recommend that Father Kramer seek conditional ordination from someone like Bishop Richard Williamson, whom I'm sure would be very amenable.