Author Topic: R&R -- why don't you get behind Father Chazal's sede-impoundism? (Read 55041 times)

Stubborn · « **Reply #50 on:** September 24, 2022, 05:02:28 AM »

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So you can make a judgment that the "pope" is not worthy of your obedience but you can't make a judgment about why he is not worthy of your obedience? It's not that hard to research the issue.

Of course we make a judgement, because in knowing our holy faith, we know what offends God even when it doesn't offend the pope, or the pope glories in it and wants us to follow along.

I always find it incredible that this needs explaining to trads at all.

After the example of St. Thomas More: "We remain the popes' good subjects, but God's first." You act as if this is error, or heresy or evil or something. It's not evil, IT'S CATHOLIC.

Meanwhile, some sedes have said they'd forsake the true faith for the new faith if they were convinced the pope is the pope. Talk about reckless abandon. This idea bespeaks of having a faith that is very weak and fruitless, certainly not worth much at all when for any reason, one is ready and willing to just throw whatever faith they have away.

HolyAngels · « **Reply #51 on:** September 24, 2022, 05:40:57 AM »

Quote from: Stubborn on September 23, 2022, 08:05:24 AM

I must say that this comes right out of a comic book because it would be hilarious if it weren't so tragic.

But the answer to the question posed in the title of this thread is, there is no reason to get behind any flavor of sedeism. With the grace of God and all the helps He gave us, we can live a Catholic life and die a happy death and strive to save our souls without the self inflicted burden of concerning ourselves with something we can do nothing whatsoever about other than pray daily for the pope, which is the duty of every Catholic for a reason.

Why not try doing this sometime?

Agreed, the modernists have the numbers and their popes.

You are right, we can't change that. Better to pray and practice Catholicism. Obsessing over the modernists has no spiritual benefit.

Gunter · « **Reply #52 on:** September 24, 2022, 05:56:59 AM »

The evil of modernism is on going. People being instruments of this evil are the direct cause of the perpetual trainwreck. Those individuals hold positions that they use to continue the evil against Christ and his faithful. There names shouldn't even be mentioned unless in prayer for conversion or their demise. Obviously we hope for their final perseverance. The Thesis is one possible understanding of the state of the church.

I see a parallel understanding of how and why most medical doctors dropped the ball over these last couple of years. Yes they lost my respect for their betrayal.

Melanie · « **Reply #53 on:** September 24, 2022, 08:11:47 AM »

Quote from: Stubborn on September 24, 2022, 05:02:28 AM

After the example of St. Thomas More: "We remain the popes' good subjects, but God's first." You act as if this is error, or heresy or evil or something. It's not evil, IT'S CATHOLIC.

But, this is not what he said. The Pope is the Vicar of Christ on earth not the King of England. This is a significant distinction which changes your example to not exactly being Catholic at all. St. Thomas More was, “the King’s good servant, but God’s first.” And we all know that he was a martyr because of this, for being subject to God in His Vicar of Christ on earth, the Pope.

Meg · « **Reply #54 on:** September 24, 2022, 10:23:28 AM »

Quote from: Stubborn on September 23, 2022, 01:10:42 PM

Nope, it does not matter to either of us, you should have quoted the rest of my post.

I am subject to the pope, but God first. It's not the least bit complicated and is summed up beautifully in my sig.

Agreed. And recognizing that we have a pope is a big part of being subject to him.

IMO, God has allowed a Modernist sect to occupy the Church. We tend to place the blame all on human error or heresy, but since God has allowed it, it would seem that certain amount of prudence is required. We have to do what we can to still be loyal to the papacy, and that means not going to the extreme of believing that there's no pope. (Though I'm not against Catholics, in principle, adopting sedevacantism - it's when they push it on everyone else that I have a problem, and that happens a lot around here - like this thread).

And yes, we are subject to God first. As you say, it's not complicated. It seems that sedevacantism is a lot more complicated.

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