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Author Topic: R&R -- why don't you get behind Father Chazal's sede-impoundism?  (Read 54897 times)

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Offline MiracleOfTheSun

Re: R&R -- why don't you get behind Father Chazal's sede-impoundism?
« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2022, 10:03:01 AM »
Wow.  No offense against Fr. Chazal but, for all the grief that sedes receive, that is one seriously weak position.  Any ideas on whether he reached that conclusion before or after his book 'Contra Cekadam'?
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Offline Melanie

Re: R&R -- why don't you get behind Father Chazal's sede-impoundism?
« Reply #16 on: September 23, 2022, 11:12:59 AM »
I suggest everyone get behind Father Noidea’s theory of Derelectionism.  It is by far the most peaceful irresolution to this crisis.  All we are required to do is live our own best Catholic lives. Leave the seat vacant or an apostate the Pope for our children to deal with.  However one is comfortable framing the mysterious crisis, it will work for every stripe of Traditionalist and foster unity.  If the Greatest Generation ignored Assisi and Wojtyla, certainly we can feel justified ignoring Jorge the apostate.  If a problem is too complex it’s best to leave it for the next generation. Father was inspired by the Art of Manliness handbook, specifically the chapter on Home Invasion where it outlines how to run to your prie-dieu and pray to Our Lord that he remove the armed intruders or just end the world.  
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: R&R -- why don't you get behind Father Chazal's sede-impoundism?
« Reply #17 on: September 23, 2022, 11:41:51 AM »
Quote from: MiracleOfTheSun on September 23, 2022, 10:03:01 AM
Wow.  No offense against Fr. Chazal but, for all the grief that sedes receive, that is one seriously weak position.  Any ideas on whether he reached that conclusion before or after his book 'Contra Cekadam'?

So ... what exactly is weak about it.  It's a variant of sedeprivationism, which has the theological weight of a Guerard Lauriers behind it, and some variant of sedeprivationism / sedeimpoundism (Chazalism) solves the problems with both R&R and SV positions.  It's actually brilliant and rests on solid foundations (including some of Bellarmine's distinctions).
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: R&R -- why don't you get behind Father Chazal's sede-impoundism?
« Reply #18 on: September 23, 2022, 11:44:20 AM »
Quote from: Melanie on September 23, 2022, 11:12:59 AM
I suggest everyone get behind Father Noidea’s theory of Derelectionism.  It is by far the most peaceful irresolution to this crisis. 

I've never heard of this.  Do you have a link?

If, as you imply, this just means igoring Rome and the hierarchy, that's really a non-starter for Catholics.
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Now some priests (even some priests in the Society) say that we Catholics need not worry about what is happening in the Vatican; we have the true sacraments, the true Mass, the true doctrine, so why worry about whether the pope is heretic or an impostor or whatever; it is of no importance to us. But I think that is not true. If any man is important in the Church it is the pope.

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Offline Stubborn

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Re: R&R -- why don't you get behind Father Chazal's sede-impoundism?
« Reply #19 on: September 23, 2022, 11:58:23 AM »
Quote from: Melanie on Today at 12:12:59 PM
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I suggest everyone get behind Father Noidea’s theory of Derelectionism.  It is by far the most peaceful irresolution to this crisis.

Quote from: Ladislaus on September 23, 2022, 11:44:20 AM
I've never heard of this.  Do you have a link?

If, as you imply, this just means igoring Rome and the hierarchy, that's really a non-starter for Catholics.

:facepalm: Lad, please, you cannot be serious. You want a link to Fr. Noidea's theory - of Derelectionism. :laugh1::laugh1: 
Fr. No Idea - get it?
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