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Author Topic: R&R -- why don't you get behind Father Chazal's sede-impoundism?  (Read 55172 times)

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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: R&R -- why don't you get behind Father Chazal's sede-impoundism?
« Reply #610 on: June 28, 2023, 05:27:23 PM »

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If Siri was elected at one of the conclaves, which there is evidence of, he definitely fell from the pontificate upon embracing the Novus Ordo religion.
A few pictures of Siri saying (what looks to be) the new mass is not enough evidence that he "embraced the novus ordo".  Heck, we even have pictures of St Padre Pio saying (what looks to be) the new mass.  But we know, by way of ample eyewitness accounts, that St Padre Pio DID NOT say the new mass, it was only 'ad populam'.  Context matters.  A picture is hardly proof; we need more.


I've basically heard that Siri was a prisoner at the Vatican.  Everywhere he went, he was followed.  I'm sure he wasn't allowed to write letters/give interviews, etc on the "changing landscape" of new-rome.  But, I admit, this Siri-apologizing also has limited evidence.  Was he a silenced prisoner, or was he was simply a fake conservative, coward who "went along with V2" to save his life. 

I don't think we'll know in this life.

Offline Meg

Re: R&R -- why don't you get behind Father Chazal's sede-impoundism?
« Reply #611 on: June 28, 2023, 05:41:47 PM »
I don't see how Siri could have had a chance of being pope, given that he did not accept being the Pope. One is not forced to be a pope if elected. If an elector refuses, as is his right, then he cannot be said to be pope. 


Offline Ladislaus

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Re: R&R -- why don't you get behind Father Chazal's sede-impoundism?
« Reply #612 on: June 28, 2023, 06:26:33 PM »
I don't see how Siri could have had a chance of being pope, given that he did not accept being the Pope. One is not forced to be a pope if elected. If an elector refuses, as is his right, then he cannot be said to be pope.

According to the theory, though, he did accept.  Paul Williams (the former FBI consultant) indicated that he accepted and took the name Gregory XVII in the 1958 conclave.  Not only to you not take on a papal name, but also there's no white smoke send out unless and until the candidate has accepted.  As soon as someone accepts, he becomes the Pope.  Once he's the Pope, then, he cannot be forced to resign under duress (that would render the resignation invalid).

This is actually an act of diabolical genius.  See, these Mason/Communist/Jew operatives knew that a legitimately-elected Pope (even if he were an occult heretic, even a malicious infiltrator) would continue to be prevented by the Holy Spirit from damaging the Church this way, even if it meant that God would strike him dead.  That is precisely why they waited until Siri had been elected and accepted to come in with their threats.  They could have done so anytime before the conclave, told Siri up front that if he gets elected, he should refuse the election or else [whatever threats they had in play].  But to pull this off, they needed Siri to get elected and accept, in order to render the subsequent election illegitimate, so that the candidate was not the Pope and therefore not guided by the Holy Spirit (or at least prevented from teaching grave error to the Church).  It was a masterpiece of diabolical genius.

Masons actually thought they had their man on the See in Pope IX, but after Pius IX was elected, he had a conversion experience ... that came by way of an armed attack by the revolutionaries.  In fact, he was so liberal that a Cardinal was on the way to veto his election, but he was elected before he could get there.  From being a notorious liberal and welcome by all the same individuals who pulled off the Masonic revolutions in 1848, he turned into one of the most staunchly anti-"Modernist" (before St. Pius X had coined the term) Popes in history.

Sadly, these Illumaniti/Masons/Jews/Communists had more faith that the Holy Spirit would prevent a legitimate Pope from destroying the Church than R&R do.

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: R&R -- why don't you get behind Father Chazal's sede-impoundism?
« Reply #613 on: June 28, 2023, 06:34:00 PM »
If Siri was elected at one of the conclaves, which there is evidence of, he definitely fell from the pontificate upon embracing the Novus Ordo religion.

Ridiculous.  This is the absurd dogmatic SV view that individuals are ipso facto outside the Church simply by belonging to the Novus Ordo.  Please cite the evidence that Siri was a heretic.  In fact, right before the conclave that elected Wojtyla, fearing that Siri might have a chance to be elected (there are reports that he was elected in both 1958 and 1963, and had growing support among the conservatives even in 1978), a new paper deliberately published an article about Siri that scuttled his chances, reporting a conversation with Siri where he said he would roll back Vatican II.  Despite that, there are some reports that he won also in 1978 in the first conclave that ended up producing Luciani.

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: R&R -- why don't you get behind Father Chazal's sede-impoundism?
« Reply #614 on: June 28, 2023, 06:39:13 PM »
There's actually some evidence that Pius IX was actually a Freemason before he was elected to the papacy, and he appears to have had a conversion experience ...

https://tinyurl.com/aj5z22e6