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Author Topic: R&R -- why don't you get behind Father Chazal's sede-impoundism?  (Read 56617 times)

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Online Pax Vobis

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Re: R&R -- why don't you get behind Father Chazal's sede-impoundism?
« Reply #555 on: June 04, 2023, 06:58:16 PM »

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What you have done is claimed that they are not Catholic
No, I said they aren’t licit (and in many cases immoral) because they violate Quo Primum.  
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Re: R&R -- why don't you get behind Father Chazal's sede-impoundism?
« Reply #556 on: June 05, 2023, 06:35:55 AM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on June 04, 2023, 06:56:13 PM
No, that’s a bad analogy.  It’s similar to a murder.  We (laity) can make the determination that someone died.  But we cannot make any decision (or if we do, it carries no legal significance) of who did the killing nor why.  That’s up to the proper authorities (ie Church) to bring Justice. 

I am not speaking about the canonical or legal implications.  I am speaking about the "sin" of heresy.  We can judge "sin".  The catechism teaches us that we cannot make rash judgments, but if the evidence is sufficient, we can judge. 
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Re: R&R -- why don't you get behind Father Chazal's sede-impoundism?
« Reply #557 on: June 05, 2023, 06:36:46 AM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on June 04, 2023, 06:58:16 PM
No, I said they aren’t licit (and in many cases immoral) because they violate Quo Primum. 

The conciliar popes have said that they are licit.  You are contradicting them.
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Re: R&R -- why don't you get behind Father Chazal's sede-impoundism?
« Reply #558 on: June 05, 2023, 10:48:23 AM »
+Benedict said in his 2007 motu that Quo Primum was still legally in force.  He never said the new mass was legal; it was only implied.  But by explicitly declaring QP to be in force, which disallows any alternative rite, then he has explicitly declared the new mass to be illicit.  

Just because the V2 popes pass a law doesn’t mean it’s licit.  Plenty of states pass anti-gun laws that are later declared unconstitutional.  
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Re: R&R -- why don't you get behind Father Chazal's sede-impoundism?
« Reply #559 on: June 05, 2023, 07:10:21 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on June 01, 2023, 10:31:03 PM
 That tells us something.  Father Feeney was right.
I don't see how things will improve until more people accept this. Just look at the sspx. Slowly being absorbed into the 'Church'. The resistance priests also seem to have this issue on 'invincible ignorance'.
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