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Author Topic: R&R -- why don't you get behind Father Chazal's sede-impoundism?  (Read 55255 times)

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Offline SeanJohnson

Re: R&R -- why don't you get behind Father Chazal's sede-impoundism?
« Reply #525 on: June 01, 2023, 02:05:38 PM »
Just checking in, and see that despite the pep fest to dispel the doubts about the Feeneyite position which I have inculcated, 50 posts later, nobody is able to answer a very simple question:

Please cite Church teaching on either:

1) How is grace lost without grave sin

or

2) How those dying in the state of grace can be damned.

I'll check back in another 50 posts (i.e., 15 minutes).
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Offline Stubborn

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Re: R&R -- why don't you get behind Father Chazal's sede-impoundism?
« Reply #526 on: June 01, 2023, 02:08:11 PM »
Quote from: SeanJohnson on June 01, 2023, 02:05:38 PM
Just checking in, and see the pep fest to dispel the doubts about the Feeneyite position which I have inculcated, and 50 posts later, nobody is able to answer a very simple question:

Please cite Church teaching on either:

1) How is grace lost without grave sin

or

2) How those dying in the state of grace can be damned.

I'll check back in another 50 posts (i.e., 15 minutes).
More Scripture for you to ignore....
He that believeth and is baptized, shall be saved: but he that believeth not shall be condemned.
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Offline SeanJohnson

Re: R&R -- why don't you get behind Father Chazal's sede-impoundism?
« Reply #527 on: June 01, 2023, 02:10:40 PM »
Quote from: Stubborn on June 01, 2023, 02:08:11 PM
More Scripture for you to ignore....
He that believeth and is baptized, shall be saved: but he that believeth not shall be condemned.

No, just more of your Protestant private interpretations to ignore.
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Offline ByzCat3000

Re: R&R -- why don't you get behind Father Chazal's sede-impoundism?
« Reply #528 on: June 01, 2023, 02:45:31 PM »
Quote from: SeanJohnson on June 01, 2023, 02:10:40 PM
No, just more of your Protestant private interpretations to ignore.
I’ll give ladislaus a pass since he did at least go to seminary, but yeah, I honestly do sorta mentally filter out most other posters on here on this issue. Most of them do not even engage with what Justin martyr wrote. I’m not saying it can’t be done, but most of them do not even take the time or bother him. And most of them do indeed, blatantly engage in the private interpretation fest. I guess archbishop Lefevre was just an idiot who didn’t read the docuмents and some lay person online is going to set them right. Yeah right.

I just also consider it a massive waste of time to argue with anyone who says this, so I instead decided to stick with just analyzing the issues. I saw that the main comment that quoted me completely missed the point.


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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: R&R -- why don't you get behind Father Chazal's sede-impoundism?
« Reply #529 on: June 01, 2023, 03:09:35 PM »

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He that believeth and is baptized, shall be saved: but he that believeth not shall be condemned.
We are required as Catholics to read Scripture literally, unless the Church tells us otherwise.  I believe Trent (and other papal docuмents on EENS) have quoted this passage in a literal sense.


I've never heard of any saint or council using this phrase other than literal.
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