A limbo if the justified who died in the state of grace?
Yes, that unheard of novelty sounds exactly like something he would invent.
But I do thank you for conceding the argument that those who die invincibly ignorant in the state of grace are saved.
I am probably not going to read the entire thread, nor am I particularly interested in giving my own position. I’m just trying to clarify things.
the question of whether someone who is baptized by water in Protestantism or Eastern Orthodoxy can be saved despite being invincibly ignorant of the truth of Catholicism is a completely different question, then the question of whether pagans or members of can be saved through invincible, ignorance, and implicit baptism of desire, which is a different question then explicit baptism of desire for catechumens, which is a different question then whether there are practically speaking any invincibly, ignorant people left in the age of globalism and the Internet
of these, I find the last question to be the most useless because it is basically guesswork about fact claims. I guess if we do acknowledge that invincible, ignorance exists, we could then debate whether it is strictly limited to those who have never heard the claim, or if it could also be applied to those who sincerely and genuinely without fault of their own, are not convinced of the truth value of the claims
I could be wrong, but I do not actually think Ladislaus is going to say that a baptized Eastern Orthodox who has simply never heard of Roman Catholicism, and so believes he is in the Catholic Church of the creed, is damned. I guess, maybe he might say he was damned after he comes to some positive conclusion that’s contrary to Catholic epistemology, but if say, he died at 10 years old before he thought about theology beyond the basics of the creed, which he received, because the church gave it to him, I would assume Ladislaus would say that that 10 year old would go to heaven. But logically this is a separate question, then whether an invincibly ignorant. , I would assume Ladislaus would say that that 10 year old would go to heaven. But logically this is a separate question then, whether an invincibly ignorant pagan can be saved via invincible ignorance and implicit BOD without having faith in the holy trinity
I find the arguments about who is right tire son, because the premises of discussion aren’t even agreed on
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