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Author Topic: R&R -- why don't you get behind Father Chazal's sede-impoundism?  (Read 56458 times)

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Offline Meg

Re: R&R -- why don't you get behind Father Chazal's sede-impoundism?
« Reply #430 on: May 31, 2023, 11:28:18 AM »
Meg is obsessed with SVism, but Salza condemns all Traditional Catholics (outside of Motu groups like FSSP, ICK, etc.) as schismatics, heretics, and outside the Church, in need of conversion.  And he's merely taking his false first principles to their logical conclusions, that SVs tried to point out were incorrect out of the gate, but R&R jumped on the bandwagon to defend these same principles that later Salza would turn against them as well.

Yes, he may indeed condemn all trads outside of the indult bunch, but don't you condemn all trads who do not follow your reasoning - reasoning which says that we are heretics and schismatics if we do not hold Pope Francis as suspect of manifest heresy? I've lost track of the number of times you've called me a heretic and schismatic, but I must say that on other subjects, I agree with you. You tend to be quite reasonable with other subjects.

I don't recall that the salza crowd has ever personally called me a heretic or schismatic, but then that crowd doesn't last very long here before they are banned. It's okay for the sedes to call us heretics and schismatics, but it's not okay for the indult folks to do the same. Doesn't seem fair somehow.

Now you will of course attempt to distract away from the subject I'm putting forth - that's always the tactic of sedevacantists. 

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: R&R -- why don't you get behind Father Chazal's sede-impoundism?
« Reply #431 on: May 31, 2023, 11:30:03 AM »
I don't recall that the salza crowd has ever personally called me a heretic or schismatic ...

Evidently you haven't been following this thread.  While he didn't mention you by name, he did in fact denounce all Trad Catholics as heretics and schismatics.


Offline Ladislaus

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Re: R&R -- why don't you get behind Father Chazal's sede-impoundism?
« Reply #432 on: May 31, 2023, 11:31:59 AM »
Yes, he may indeed condemn all trads outside of the indult bunch, but don't you condemn all trads who do not follow your reasoning - reasoning which says that we are heretics and schismatics if we do not hold Pope Francis as suspect of manifest heresy?

Yep.  Attributing corruption to the Church's Magisterium and Public Worship is at once heretical and schismatic.  Cf. my previous post.  Archbishop Lefebvre didn't hold your position.  And that is precisely why I started this thread, appealing to R&R to consider Father Chazal's position, since his does not labor under this difficulty.

Offline Meg

Re: R&R -- why don't you get behind Father Chazal's sede-impoundism?
« Reply #433 on: May 31, 2023, 11:38:47 AM »
Yep.  Attributing corruption to the Church's Magisterium and Public Worship is at once heretical and schismatic.  Cf. my previous post.  Archbishop Lefebvre didn't hold your position.  And that is precisely why I started this thread, appealing to R&R to consider Father Chazal's position, since his does not labor under this difficulty.

I think that Salza would likely believe the same as you do, regarding Catholics being heretical and schismatic if they attribute corruption to the Church's magisterium. But here's the thing. If the church is occupied, then of course the occupiers are going to do crazy things. That's why I asked him if he believes that the Church is occupied. He didn't respond, but maybe he was banned by then.

We don't look at the situation in the same way. But you and Salza do, at least in this aspect.

Re: R&R -- why don't you get behind Father Chazal's sede-impoundism?
« Reply #434 on: May 31, 2023, 11:51:48 AM »
Yep.  Attributing corruption to the Church's Magisterium and Public Worship is at once heretical and schismatic.  Cf. my previous post.  Archbishop Lefebvre didn't hold your position.  And that is precisely why I started this thread, appealing to R&R to consider Father Chazal's position, since his does not labor under this difficulty.

Notice the lie inserted into this small blurb:

Pretending Lefebvre didn’t hold our position.  “The Resistance attributes corruption to the magisterium,” but has anyone ever heard the Resistance say such a thing?  Or does this lie depend upon Lad’s gratuitous hermeneutic and caricature of our position (Hint: The answer is yes)?