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Author Topic: R&R -- why don't you get behind Father Chazal's sede-impoundism?  (Read 54926 times)

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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: R&R -- why don't you get behind Father Chazal's sede-impoundism?
« Reply #30 on: September 23, 2022, 12:46:59 PM »
Still no answer from any R&R type here about what their problem is with accepting Father Chazal's position?  ... apart from implications that you don't really care [whether or not you're departing from the Catholic faith].
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Offline Stubborn

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Re: R&R -- why don't you get behind Father Chazal's sede-impoundism?
« Reply #31 on: September 23, 2022, 01:10:42 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on September 23, 2022, 12:45:40 PM
:facepalm:  Cf. quote from Archbishop Lefebvre and also Catholic dogma (with which you should be well acquainted) that there can be no salvation without subjection to the Holy Father.

In a sense, it's correct that the final disposition of Bergoglio does't matter, but what does matter is this wretched non-Catholic ecclesiology you've developed  Are you adhering to actual Roman Catholicism or are you basically an Old Catholic?  So it SHOULD matter to you, because since your eternal salvation is on the line as you clearly veer into the latter category.
Nope, it does not matter to either of us, you should have quoted the rest of my post.

I am subject to the pope, but God first. It's not the least bit complicated and is summed up beautifully in my sig.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: R&R -- why don't you get behind Father Chazal's sede-impoundism?
« Reply #32 on: September 23, 2022, 01:19:23 PM »
Quote from: Stubborn on September 23, 2022, 01:10:42 PM
I am subject to the pope ...

No you're not.  Simply claiming "he is the pope" doesn't make you subject to the pope.  It's really a joke, and your ecclesiology is basicaly nothing short of Old Catholic.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: R&R -- why don't you get behind Father Chazal's sede-impoundism?
« Reply #33 on: September 23, 2022, 01:22:32 PM »
So far we have Stubborn's "I don't really care." (since being in Communion with the Catholic hierarchy doesn't matter) ... but nothing else.

Waiting for someone from R&R to explain what's unacceptable about Father Chazal's position.
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Offline Stubborn

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Re: R&R -- why don't you get behind Father Chazal's sede-impoundism?
« Reply #34 on: September 23, 2022, 01:29:05 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on September 23, 2022, 01:19:23 PM
No you're not.  Simply claiming "he is the pope" doesn't make you subject to the pope.  It's really a joke, and your ecclesiology is basicaly nothing short of Old Catholic.
Do you purposely blind yourself to the rest of my posts, is your disdain for the most basic and universal Catholic principle of obedience to God before the pope so strong that it forces you to purposely selectively quote my posts in order to make me say what did not say and do not mean?

You're really something and either I've not been paying attention or you're getting worse all the time. 
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