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« on: August 20, 2009, 03:31:50 PM »
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    « Reply #1 on: August 20, 2009, 04:09:46 PM »
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  • Oddly enough this appeared today on Traditio.

    Historically Speaking, It Was Pius XII, Not John XXIII
    Who Started the Novus Ordo Revolution
    From: J.C.
     
    Pope John XXIII Celebrating a Traditional Pontifical Latin Mass at St. Peter's
    Notice the Two Papal Tiaras Placed upon the Altar, Later Given Away by Paul VI
    Also Notice that John XXIII Celebrates Mass Faced in the Traditional Direction
    Pope John XXIII Was Very Traditional When It Came to the Sacred Liturgy and Catholic Doctrine
    Later, the Modernists Tried Falsely to Characterize Him as One of Their Own
    Dear Fathers:

    Notwithstanding his staunch traditionalism with respect to the Roman liturgy, John XXIII did, on his own, insert the name of St. Joseph into the Canon of the Mass in 1962 and thus became the first violator of the Sacred Canon of the Mass, which had been fixed since the early Church. This little seed of error opened a floodgate of later changes to the Canon, eventually leading to the total demolition of the Mass.

    The Fathers Reply.

    No question: John XXIII had no power to touch the Sacred Canon and should not have done so. But there is no evidence that the reason he took this action was anything other than his long-standing and well-known devotion to St. Joseph, Confessor and Patriarch. Others afterward may have used the situation in the way that you mention, but not John XXIII. After all, the Freemason presbyter Hannibal Bugnini, the Chief Architect of the New Order, hardly needed such a precedent. Pope Pius XII, usually considered a "traditional" pope, had already acceded to two great waves of "modernization" of the Mass in preparation for the Novus Ordo service. Even the rites of Holy Week in the Missale Romanum were corrupted during his papacy.

    After all, the idea of adding St. Joseph to the Canon of the Mass did not originate with John XXIII. It went back at least to the 19th century, when devotion to St. Joseph was growing markedly in the Church. Many cardinals, bishops, and faithful petitioned Pope Pius XI incessantly to add the name of St. Joseph to the Sacred Canon of the Mass in two places. Pope Pius XI did declare St. Joseph the the Patron of the Universal Church in 1870, but declined to add the Saint's name to the Sacred Canon, stating: "How can I do that? I am only the pope!" John the XXIII in 1962 ended up adding the name of the Saint in only one place, disappointing many of the Saint's devotees, who wanted it in two places.

    And, remember, it was Pius XII who in 1948 made the Freemason presbyter, Hannibal Bugnini, the General Secretary of his Pontificia Commissio pro Generali Liturgica Instauratione, the pontifical commission that was supposed to institute a "general liturgical modernization." It was though this commission of Pope Pius XII that Bugnini did his dirty work to lead up to the invalid Novus Ordo service of 1969. In fact, John XXIII fired Bugnini, but Paul VI reappointed him and made him chief architect of the Novus Ordo.



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    « Reply #2 on: August 20, 2009, 05:55:17 PM »
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  • Thanks Dawn for posting this as it gives me something to work with and I will respond as time permits. I hope you are not falling down the slippery slope into thinking Pius XII(XIII) an anti-pope.
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
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    « Reply #3 on: August 20, 2009, 06:01:47 PM »
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  • Mrs Engel is apparently friends with the Judaics J Riesman and S Montieth and I know for a fact that it is there business to discredit the Church whenever poss. Of course there is going to be some good info in her book but as we are all familiar with the Cabalistic formula of mixing truth with lies, caution should be used in reading it.The unecessary inclusion of explicit, graphic sɛҳuąƖ descriptions in the book is more to be worried about.

    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
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    « Reply #4 on: August 20, 2009, 06:12:58 PM »
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  • Hmm, I will refrain til I study your information


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    « Reply #5 on: August 20, 2009, 08:11:41 PM »
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  • I do not even believe that Pius XII(XIII) was a bad Pope. For those who do not under stand how a marrano like Bea could be the confessor of Pius XII(XIII) i would suggest going through the table of contents of each vol( beg w/ v 11) of Prof Pastor's History Of Popes that are avail at wikipedia.

    Read every account of the Jesuits. At one point there is a revolt against the constitutions of St Ignatius that is led by marranos who spent their whole lives trying to destroy the Jesuit order from within.

    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
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    « Reply #6 on: August 20, 2009, 09:31:09 PM »
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  • I have read Mrs Miller and her book is excellent. There is only one mention of Rampolla and she unfortunately goes with the rumor.

    The alleged 'OTO Manifesto' is a forgery. To explain how a good man like Jouin could be deceived into propogating the phoney Rampolla story, I found this on pg 19  of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ And The Vatican by Poncins --- " The only accusation that can be brought against Msg Jouin is that he was a man of great kindness; sometimes he was a little to kind in welcoming collaborators who were below the standards required for his magazine".

    I would also recommend reading History Of Popes 1830-1914 by Chadwick. Also Popes Against the Jєωs and Prisoner Of The Vatican by Kertzer for more on the Rampolla scam.

    Does anyone really think that a great Pope like Leo XIII could be duped into making a satanist Sec of State as well Arch-priest of the Vatican Cathedral?
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    « Reply #7 on: August 20, 2009, 09:47:20 PM »
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  • Are you saying he was infallible in character judgment?


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    « Reply #8 on: August 20, 2009, 10:21:31 PM »
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  • No Pope thundered more against Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ. The sources for my evaluation of the Card Rampolla scam have been given repeatedly. See also the Jєωιѕн Encyclopedia for their take on Card Rampolla and Leo XIII.
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    « Reply #9 on: August 20, 2009, 10:29:23 PM »
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  • It is the Freemason Franz-Joseph who attempts to use the veto against Rampolla in 1903. Franz-Joseph is 'suurounded by Jєωs' acc to the Judaic Kertzer in Pope Against The Jєωs.
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    « Reply #10 on: August 20, 2009, 10:37:54 PM »
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  • In addition to Pope Leo, Card Rampolla was also very close to Pius X and Card Del Val. I suppose they were fooled by the alleged OTO Ramopolla as well.
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    « Reply #11 on: August 21, 2009, 06:01:26 AM »
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  • I believe it is possible for them to have lied about Rampolla. For whatever reason. Is it possible that he worked against them (mondernists)? Also possible that he was outspoken against homos, and by then they where in the Vatican.
    When I saw how they stacked the deck against Fr. Feeney in the 1940's anything is possible.
    Roscoe, I trust you on Rampolla as you have delved into this matter so deeply. It is for God to know the absolute truth of his soul and not me.

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    « Reply #12 on: August 21, 2009, 12:33:18 PM »
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  • As prev mentioned, I am in the middle of reading Chadwick's History Of Popes. I am currently reading about Pius X and his fight against the Modernists-- those who don't take the Bible literally( at least re: the historical and legal books of Scripture).

    To fight against those Modernists and uphold Truth, Pius X appoints none other that Card Rampolla to lead the charge as head of the Pontifical Commission of Biblical Studies.

    IOW, it is Card Rampolla who is the LEAD MAN IN THE FIGHT.

    A charge that Card Rampolla was himself a 'Modernist' and 'secret occult mason in the OTO' is a lie and those who hold to this theory cannot be mistaken-- they are blatant and malicious in their obstinacy towards Jesus and His Church.

    Re: Fr Coughlin-- yes his broadcats are removed from the air in some sort of deal between Rome and Roosenvelt but HIS VIEWS ARE NOT CENSORED and he is allowed to continue publishing whatever he wants.
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    « Reply #13 on: August 21, 2009, 11:40:44 PM »
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  • There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
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    « Reply #14 on: August 22, 2009, 04:41:57 PM »
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  • For quite a few years now I have wondered about Pope Pius XII. The modernists were there at that point, and he even worked closely with Montini to make the changes that occurred in the Liturgy.
    Some say that it is because he was surrounded by modernists that he was unable to move. That would have been Pope Pius X who made the statement.
    There is more on Pacelli and his close friendship with Spellman. No, I am not insinuating anything. I believe they were just that, friends. Pacelli is also written about in the chapter of O'Connell and Spellman.