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Re: Rome will lose the Faith!
« Reply #85 on: August 22, 2020, 08:40:00 PM »
If what you say is true, that means "The apostasy starts at the top" didn't bother them at all.

Are you calling the preconciliar Popes since 1917 apostates?

Re: Rome will lose the Faith!
« Reply #86 on: August 22, 2020, 09:28:54 PM »
What exactly did they express believe in? Did they express believe in all the heavenly revealed messages as handed down by all the literature and trad.inc and fatima.org and fatima.pt? Could you, forlorn, please be so kind to specify what exactly you mean to say, and then post some source to backup your claims?

There is no doubt that a Sanctuary was build in Fátima, and that veneration was allowed. But I ask you: if there was a Pope who expressed belief in the messages of Fátima, as understood by Ascetik, obviously by you, and by others here on CI, that Russia has to be and wasn't yet consecrated in a way to please Our Lady, then why didn't they do it? How does the fact that they didn't, not indicate that they don't care about all the apocryphal messages, published by irrelevant sources?



Declaring "the apparition worthy of belief" doesn't mean that the local bishop declared all the many apocryphal messages found on the fatima.inc sites, allegedly having been revealed by Our Lady and/or Our Lord at various points in time, to be credible. Still you seem to suggest, that he did, but you don't provide any sources.


You say: "Why the pope never performed the consecration in unison with all the bishops I don't know". Well, the obvious idea is: they don't listen to what is published by unauthorized sources!

You say: "to call an approved apparition apocryphal". I don't call the apparitions apocryphal, rather I call the messages apocryphal. And that's what they are. No apostolically authorized shepherd has proposed these messages as relevant to Catholics. If you complain, please quote the Magisterium of the Church, proposing the content of the messages to be revelation. If that's to much asked, quote a single bishop, presenting the text of some or of all the messages and declaring that Catholics should take a look at them, and consider them to be possibly true, or maybe consider them to be absolutely true.

But what am I asking? forlorn, you do well know, that such hasn't happened and such is not the case.
I see your point. I don't have the time to respond fully right now, I will tomorrow if I remember, but I'd just like to address this: you seem to be taking my false equivalence of the apparition and all the messages that have come after as arguing in bad faith, and I'd just like to clarify that it was an honest(if stupid) mistake. 
I'll try address your points tomorrow if I remember but I just wanted to make that clear first.


Re: Rome will lose the Faith!
« Reply #87 on: August 24, 2020, 12:20:40 AM »
Possibly, but I am more inclined to think that the world has already been punished for not consecrating Russia, and that the punishment was World War II.
Would you care to elaborate?
Webster definition of “annihilate”:-  (1) to destroy utterly, to obliterate
(2) as used in PHYSICS. to convert a subatomic particle into radiant energy
WWII saw two cities annihilated, not “many nations.”



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Re: Rome will lose the Faith!
« Reply #88 on: August 24, 2020, 09:18:05 AM »
Possibly, but I am more inclined to think that the world has already been punished for not consecrating Russia, and that the punishment was World War II.

Sure, the world has already been punished, but I see Vatican II as the punishment.  This does not mean, however, that the punishment will not be undone when a pope finally consecrates Russia.

Re: Rome will lose the Faith!
« Reply #89 on: August 24, 2020, 08:07:22 PM »
I too wonder why the consecration did not take place.   Our Lady knows.  I wonder too if Our Lady suggested, demanded, commanded the consecration.  IMO I think she asked for a consecration/with all the bishops so that we would see the outcome.  She knew that the clergy was what? afraid of their bodes and not souls?  Maybe the clergy did not believe in Miracles.

Modernism/naturalism would like for us to think otherwise or do away with miracles.

I have down readings of popes after Pius X and I see them getting weaker and weaker.  Also read that after all the centuries of the Church stating, "Do not protect or support the Jews", it came to an end after Pius X.  Readings show Pius XII shying away from not mentioning communism for all the troubles in the world, because of communism.  I am not saying that he did not mention communism, BUT, it took people to beg to have it said and heard.

And Jews were dropped from prayers for them, also some prayers dropped "Islam" and such.  I find this to be very interesting.

I think Our Lady put the clergy in such a position that it would show to the world and Church, the condition the Church is in, when the consecration did not take place.

Oh, Seat of Wisdom, She is!

Some people may think there are some good clergy, among so many that are bad.  Some people may think it is bad from bottom up, when it was bad from Top down in session.  Some people still think there are good pro-life bishops, when in fact all New Order are all heretics, for they do the ritual of new oder/ no mass.
Pro-life is just a smoke screen.  All new order give through charities hiding abortion and that has been going on for 60 years!  Do you think that Priests for Life are for life!?
That can't give any life on the altar even.  Clergy can not be referred to as Father, for they bring no life to the people.

In Europe, in war, the clergy were killed, in prison, and replaced by pretenders, just as jews were pretenders trying to be pope to take over.  Which they did.