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Re: Rome will lose the Faith!
« Reply #50 on: August 16, 2020, 02:46:35 PM »
Another question: Is Pope Pius XI to blame for not impeding WWII? 

Offline Yeti

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Re: Rome will lose the Faith!
« Reply #51 on: August 18, 2020, 07:05:42 AM »
Another question: Is Pope Pius XI to blame for not impeding WWII?
I don't think so. No one with any real political power cared what the pope said by the time Pius XI took office.


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Re: Rome will lose the Faith!
« Reply #52 on: August 18, 2020, 08:39:09 AM »
I said in my last post I am out of here because when debate turns into insults against a person then it ceases to be a debate. That said, little did I think insults could get worse, so much so that I cannot let such a personal attack on a catholic forum go by without reply.

Here above Ladislaus infers I come under the category of one who questions the revelations of the Holy Bible. Can you Mr Ladislaus show contributers one such modernist opinion I have ever given on CIF?

Calling out your principles as Modernist is not a personal insult.  It's not like I called you fat or ugly.  I was attacking what you WROTE.

When you question a miracle because it doesn't line up with scientific principles, that is the very same mindset with which Modernists approach Scripture.  Miracles performed by God TYPICALLY violate the rules of normal physics and science ... which is precisely what makes them "miracles".  Your argument that the miracle of the sun at Fatima had to be a mere "illusion" because other people in the world didn't see it ... is EXACTLY THAT.  And you conveniently ignored the fact that people's clothes were dried (and cleaned) and the muddy ground was dried also, something which scientists have said would require a thousand degrees of heat for the amount of time that the miracle is reported to have lasted.  So there was clearly something very physical going on.  Or do you not believe that God can do anything He wants.  He could could bring 50 different suns into existence in different parts of the world.

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Rome will lose the Faith!
« Reply #53 on: August 18, 2020, 08:49:25 AM »
Upwards of 70,000 people witnessed the miracle of the sun at Fatima, including some atheistic Communists who would not likely be taken by a mass hallucination.  So clearly something real happened.  Now you believe that the devil pulled this off somehow, when God could not have?

So the devil is somehow capable of getting into the minds of 70,000 people and causing every single one of them to see the same hallucination?  That's unlikely.  Clearly something physical took place outside of people's minds.  This was no illusion.  If it was the work of the devil, he would have to have done something that looked like the sun coming down from the sky and also at the same time dried the ground and people's clothes.  Perhaps he had a legion of demons flying around with invisible hair-dryers drying everything off while a few of them brought some fireball down from the sky.

It stretches credibility to its absolute limit to attribute this to the devil.

And then of course there's the fact that the Church has clearly and broadly approved of Fatima.  You can find imprimatur after imprimatur after nihil obstat giving approval to books written about Fatima and the Fatima message, of widespread support from the Church for making the First Saturdays, etc.

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Bishop José Alves Correia da Silva declared the events worthy of belief on 13 October 1930. On 13 May 1946, Pope Pius XII granted a canonical coronation to the venerated image enshrined at the Chapel of the Apparitions of Fátima via his apostolic legate, Cardinal Benedetto Aloisi Masella. On 11 November 1954, he raised the Sanctuary of Fátima to the status of a minor basilica by his papal brief Lucer superna.

Re: Rome will lose the Faith!
« Reply #54 on: August 18, 2020, 09:44:48 AM »
And then of course there's the fact that the Church has clearly and broadly approved of Fatima.

On the other hand, according to most Fatimists, no Pope cared to consecrate Russia. Hence they and/or the bishops are to blame for the following facts:

  Russia wasn't converted,
  there is no peace,
  Russia spread her errors throughout the world
  causing wars and persecutions of the Church


In the meantime, in reality, Roncalli, his successors, and virtually all bishops have persecuted the true Faith and the true Mass.