Author Topic: Rome will lose the Faith! (Read 4522 times)

Ascetik · « **Reply #75 on:** August 21, 2020, 03:05:00 PM »

Ladislaus already provided it to you. I provided you additional docuмentation. It's not a straw-man, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

There are liturgical propers for her feast day, I don't know what else you want. You're grasping at straws here.

Edit: I'm not trying to *prove* anything. I simply linked you to a page that has successive popes all showing their general approval for it by their actions. And you dodged my direct question.

Do you believe Fatima was a true apparition or not? You don't seem to whatsoever.

Struthio · « **Reply #76 on:** August 21, 2020, 03:21:46 PM »

Quote from: Ascetik on August 21, 2020, 03:05:00 PM

Ladislaus already provided it to you.

He said that he can't produce a docuмent, though he thinks that one exists.

Quote from: Ascetik on August 21, 2020, 03:05:00 PM

I provided you additional docuмentation.

You provided a link to a freemasonic site. Just look at their building!

Quote from: Ascetik on August 21, 2020, 03:05:00 PM

It's not a straw-man, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

You said that I am "so opposed to the idea that the mother of God ... ". You're intellectually dishonest and a disgrace for true Catholics.

Quote from: Ascetik on August 21, 2020, 03:05:00 PM

There are liturgical propers for her feast day, I don't know what else you want. You're grasping at straws here.

You do not know what I want? I repeat once more: I want a docuмent of the Church showing what exactly was approved by the Church. You said "[Fátima] is an approved apparition", and I want to know, what exactly was approved. You implied that the content of all the many secrets and revelations are approved, which induce you to believe, that Russia has to be consecrated.

Struthio · « **Reply #77 on:** August 21, 2020, 03:31:59 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on August 21, 2020, 02:33:15 PM

I have not found a copy of said Lucer superna, but I don't doubt it exists.

I couldn't find it either. From what found about Lucer superna, it's about the elevation of the original Sanctuary of Fátima to the status of a minor basilica.

Struthio · « **Reply #78 on:** August 21, 2020, 03:45:50 PM »

Quote from: Ascetik on August 21, 2020, 10:14:32 AM

Supposed to be, but it still relies entirely on the free-will of men, God honors the free will of men. Our Lady said it would be done, but 'late'. She didn't specify how late exactly and it's getting pretty late.

Why does anyone to anything sinful? It is the mystery of iniquity and bad-will of men.

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Pope's can make mistakes. The pope's failure to consecrate Russia and reveal the true third secret has nothing to do with "following the pope" and has everything to do with the weakness of men.

You accuse the Popes who didn't consecrate Russia (in the way you think was asked for by Our Lady of Fàtima). (In favour of you, I assume that you don't know what the Fathers and Doctors of the Church identify as the mystery of iniquity.)

You will have to defend you're accusation, one day!

I prefer to think that the fact that the Popes didn't consecrate Russia is an indication that they didn't believe or approve what all these Fathers Fuentes', fatima.org, fatima.pt etc. sell as heavenly messages. They didn't approve any of the apocryphal secrets and revelations.

forlorn · « **Reply #79 on:** August 22, 2020, 11:27:00 AM »

Quote from: Struthio on August 21, 2020, 03:45:50 PM

You accuse the Popes who didn't consecrate Russia (in the way you think was asked for by Our Lady of Fàtima). (In favour of you, I assume that you don't know what the Fathers and Doctors of the Church identify as the mystery of iniquity.)

You will have to defend you're accusation, one day!

I prefer to think that the fact that the Popes didn't consecrate Russia is an indication that they didn't believe or approve what all these Fathers Fuentes', fatima.org, fatima.pt etc. sell as heavenly messages. They didn't approve any of the apocryphal secrets and revelations.

Every pope since Fatima expressed belief in it, and the local bishop declared the apparition worthy of belief(the same way it works for every apparition - no apparition has ever been approved directly by the pope).

Why the pope never performed the consecration in unison with all the bishops I don't know, but to call an approved apparition apocryphal is just ridiculous. I understand that just because an apparition is approved as worthy of belief doesn't mean it's true or has to be believed, but it's disrespectful to call something the Church approved apocryphal.

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