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Offline cassini

Re: Rome will lose the Faith!
« Reply #35 on: August 13, 2020, 03:02:59 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on August 13, 2020, 01:15:49 PM
This has already been addressed.  Catholic teaching is that God MAY apply our prayers and merits to specific souls in Purgatory ... or may not.  In addition to the remission of temporal punishment due to sin, there's also the matter of purifying the soul so that it's prepared for the vision of God.  Only God knows the state of that person's soul and why this person needed to stay in Purgatory that long.

You're the one who's sounding like a Prot ... and a Modernist.

As readers are aware I did not set up this subject for discussion. I simply gave my opinions.

Now Ladislaus you may well be the CIF Aquinas on all subjects including who benefits from the prayers said for the souls in purgatory. In my little church we actually submit the names of dead people so that they benefit from the prayers during the month of Novemner. You Ladislaus tell us we could be wasting our time, as there is no guarantee that any will benefit. Well I for one prefer to believe they do.

However when you ladislaus resort to the old ad hominen ploy and you call me a Protestanty and a Modernist for such a belief, that is the end of it for me. I am out of here.  
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Rome will lose the Faith!
« Reply #36 on: August 13, 2020, 06:52:24 PM »
Quote from: cassini on August 13, 2020, 03:02:59 PM
As readers are aware I did not set up this subject for discussion. I simply gave my opinions.

Now Ladislaus you may well be the CIF Aquinas on all subjects including who benefits from the prayers said for the souls in purgatory. In my little church we actually submit the names of dead people so that they benefit from the prayers during the month of Novemner. You Ladislaus tell us we could be wasting our time, as there is no guarantee that any will benefit. Well I for one prefer to believe they do.

However when you ladislaus resort to the old ad hominen ploy and you call me a Protestanty and a Modernist for such a belief, that is the end of it for me. I am out of here.  

This is not some kind of deep theological point.  I've read this in various writings by the saints regarding Purgatory.  When we actually perform indulgenced activities/prayers ourselves, we receive them, but asking them to be applied to another is not guaranteed, but is at God's discretion entirely.  We directly receive merits for our good actions, but asking them to be applied to someone else is at God's Mercy.
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Offline Cera

Re: Rome will lose the Faith!
« Reply #37 on: August 13, 2020, 06:55:11 PM »
Quote from: cassini on August 13, 2020, 01:00:29 PM
First of all Cera note from all the posts there is nothing by confusion in all the answers on Fatima. Our Lady meant this, no she meant that, or maybe she meant something else.
Numerous books exist which attest with great clarity to the words of Our Lady of Fatima. No confusion exists regarding what She said. No confusion exists among those of us who have actually read these books which are based on first-hand witnesses to the events at that time.

The "confusion" originates with people who have not read the books. They do a quick "online research" and repeat the uninformed opinions of others.The origin of the attacks on Our Lady of Fatima is from Protestant sources.

Who is the author of confusion? It who is crushed by Our Lady's heel.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Rome will lose the Faith!
« Reply #38 on: August 13, 2020, 06:56:55 PM »
Quote from: cassini on August 13, 2020, 03:02:59 PM
However when you ladislaus resort to the old ad hominen ploy and you call me a Protestanty and a Modernist for such a belief, that is the end of it for me. I am out of here.  

Yes, that's one of the hallmarks of the Modernists, the attempt to "rationalize" various miracles.  Oh, when Moses parted the Red Sea, well, that was just some low-tide phenomenon in a large marsh.  When the plagues hit Egypt, there are natural explanations for those things.  So to dismiss a miracle simply because there may be no rational explanation, that's classic Modernism.

Also, backing away from something because it may be perceived negatively by non-Catholics ... who would distort it and set up a straw man, that too is Modernist.
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Offline DecemRationis

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Re: Rome will lose the Faith!
« Reply #39 on: August 13, 2020, 07:48:13 PM »
Quote from: cassini on August 13, 2020, 01:00:29 PM


I have already pointed out all the predictions, including her two friends deaths were not told TO THE WORLD by Lucia before they happened, but after they happened, including the deaths of her two friends. The Fatima groups tell it as though these predictions were made known in 1917. They were not, all predictions about another war, the death of two friends before her all were told by Lucia after they happened.
Before I knew the details, I used to be in awe of the "fact" that Our Lady revealed to Sister Lucia that there would be a worse war than WW1 under a pope named Pius XI. Wow. Amazing. She even identified the name of the pope who would be regnant, a then non-existent pope.

Then I learned that Sister Lucia indicated this was prophesied years after the events happened. Not so "wow "   :(

I don't totally discount Fatima, but this actual fact rather clouds the whole phenomenon for me.
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