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Rome Silences One Lib Priest 800 Irish Priests in Uproar
« on: April 12, 2012, 02:26:31 PM »
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  • The libs know how to handle the Vatican. If Rome dares tell one of these heretics to shut up, the greater mass of heretics raise Hell in large numbers, whine to the press about persecution and inquisition, and make threats. 9 times out of 10 Rome freaks out and backs down.

    If Rome suspends a Trad priest then you can hear crickets in defense of him, with the "conservatives" piling on, agreeing he was "disobedient", and then trashing those who defend him as "schismatic."

    Where is the mass conservative outrage over these 800 Irish Priests? When the libs are acting up, the message from the Neo-Cats is typically to ignore it or else call for patience and understanding. Complete frauds.

    http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Catholic-Spring-uprising-prediction-for-Ireland-over-dissenting-priest-Father-Flannery-147131755.html

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    'Catholic Spring' uprising prediction for Ireland over dissenting priest Father Flannery

    Opposition to Vatican move to silence him continues to grow as disconnect widens

    ByJAMES O'SHEA,IrishCentral Staff Writer

    Published Thursday, April 12, 2012, 7:13 AMUpdated Thursday, April 12, 2012, 11:31 AM

    Larger TextPrintE-mail38 Comments Several leading priests in Ireland are predicting a “Catholic Spring” as dissent against the Vatican decision to ban Father Tony Flannery grows.

    The Daily Beast website has reported that leading priests now believe that the Vatican has gone too far in silencing Father Flannery who has been sent to a monastery to reflect on his actions.The Association of Catholic Priests, which has 800 members, has already come out strongly against the silencing.

    Another leading priest, Father Sean MacDonagh, a founder of the ACP, has now strongly criticised the Vatican move.

    "It is a bit like Walmart, where you have the CEO in Rome and his people there decide on policy and then insist that the bishops, as branch managers, implement that policy,” he told the Irish Examiner.

    "If Rome says ‘jump’ are we simply expected to say, ‘how high?’ Operating like a multinational where the number one requirement is obedience is at total variance with the Church of Jesus," said Fr McDonagh.

    He defended the calls for women to play a more active and equal role, "In the first century, it was possible to articulate the message of Jesus and not have females in leadership roles because the culture of the time would not allow it and there was a very dark perception of what women were.

    But, now, in the 21st century, the Church must discern where the Holy Spirit is leading it, and the Vatican should not be leading it backwards."

    "Freedom of speech does not operate here when, in fact, the Church should be an example in that respect to others," said Fr McDonagh. Meanwhile an Irish Times editorial has stated that sending Flannery to a monastery for prayer and reflection may rebound and that the Vatican is wrong to regard him as a ‘turbulent priest.’ It stated that the decision to discipline him will increase the perception of a “disconnect” between Rome and Ireland.

    The Times editorial stated, “The domestic reaction, from sections of the laity and some clergy, to the Vatican’s disciplinary action has been one of regret and concern. The ACP (Association of Catholic Priests) has described the Vatican’s intervention as “unfair, unwarranted and unwise”.

    And it may well, as the association has warned, increase the public perception of a significant “disconnect” between the Irish church and Rome.

    Fr Flannery has spent many years developing the views that he now holds, views that were no doubt influenced and shaped by prayer and reflection. But six more weeks spent in silent isolation in a monastery engaged in further prayerful reflection may not produce the outcome the Vatican now hopes from its disciplining of one it, wrongly, regards as a turbulent priest.

    The Daily Beast reports that, “The Vatican has been watching Father Tony Flannery for a long time”.

    They also identified the following paragraph as the one  that most landed Flannery in trouble after he wrote it.

    “Opening up the ministry of the church to laypeople, to married people, to priests, to women. In other words, not confining it to the male celibate priesthood as we’ve had in the past, because clearly that is not working now, so we have to begin to think in different ways, but the Vatican is increasingly forbidding any discussion on that,” he wrote. "Many of us priests are very frustrated with the way the Vatican conducts its business.”

    Daliy Beast reports that “A growing number of Catholic bloggers say the movement has the makings of what could be considered the beginning of a Catholic Spring uprising,” pointing out the statement by the Association of Catholic Priests.

    That statement read, “We affirm in the strongest possible terms our confidence in and solidarity with Father Flannery and we wish to make clear our profound view that this intervention is unfair, unwarranted and unwise,”

    “We wish to register our extreme unease and disquiet at the present development, not least the secrecy surrounding such interventions and the questions about due process and freedom of conscience that such interventions surface.”

    Brendan Butler of  the lay Irish church lobby group, “We are Church Ireland”, told the Daily Beast that the move “amounted to a return to the Inquisition” and that the current Holy See governing body is worrying. “They are trying to bring our church back into rigid authoritarian centralized structures where all dissent is dealt with in a ruthless manner.”

    Another prominent priest, Father Gabriel Daly, wrote in a priest’s publication called “Doctrine Life” that the church was attempting to silence all dissent and he seemed to be risking suspension himself.

    “Aided by secrecy and the unchallenged exercise of power, the Curia has established effective control over the whole church,” he wrote in this week’s edition. “There is little or no concern for those faithful Catholics who are quietly appalled by what is happening. They are seen as simply wrong.”



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    Rome Silences One Lib Priest 800 Irish Priests in Uproar
    « Reply #1 on: April 12, 2012, 03:20:33 PM »
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  •  Whoa!!!! Haven't you heard? According to some people on this forum the acceptance from these "faithful" signal that the Pope is a valid
    Pope. LMAO!!! :dancing-banana: :laugh1: :jester:

    Never mind that the theological definition of faithful are those who are members of the Church who believe all that Holy Mother Church proposes for belief. This definition DOES NOT include heretics.

    Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, “Cantate Domino,” 1441, ex cathedra:

    “The Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that all those who are outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans but also Jews or heretics and schismatics, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless they are joined to the Church before the end of their lives; that the unity of this ecclesiastical body is of such importance that only for those who abide in it do the Church’s sacraments contribute to salvation and do fasts, almsgiving and other works of piety and practices of the Christian militia produce eternal rewards; and that nobody can be saved, no matter how much he has given away in alms and even if he has shed blood in the name of Christ, unless he has persevered in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.”

    Pope Pius XII, Mystici Corporis (# 22), June 29, 1943:  

    “Actually only those are to be numbered among the members(faithful) of the Church who have received the laver of regeneration and profess the true faith.”

    St. Robert Bellarmine (16th century):

    "The Church is one, not twofold, and this one true [Catholic] Church is the assembly of men united in the profession of the same Christian faith and in the communion of the same sacraments, under the rule of legitimate pastors, and in particular, that of the one Vicar of Christ on earth, the Roman Pontiff. First part excludes all infidels, those who were never in the Church such as Jews, Turks, and pagans, or those who once were in it and later fell away, like the heretics and apostates.  The second part excludes the catechumens and excommunicated, since the former are not admitted to the sacraments and the latter are excluded from them…"





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    Rome Silences One Lib Priest 800 Irish Priests in Uproar
    « Reply #2 on: April 12, 2012, 06:33:02 PM »
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  • Meanwhile in Washington Dc a priest is suspended for refusing a lesbian Buddist holy communion.

    New church is a joke.  If the SSPX do any kind of deal with these idiots they will reap a world of pain.

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    Rome Silences One Lib Priest 800 Irish Priests in Uproar
    « Reply #3 on: April 12, 2012, 09:25:03 PM »
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  • I don't think that 800 number is reliable. It refers to the total number of priests who belong to the ACP (association of Irish Priests), a liberal gro but I really doubt the majority are behind this.

    It's being discussed on an Irish forum a bit more familiar with the situation

    http://irishcatholics.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=catholics&action=display&thread=740

     

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