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Rome Pretending to Deny Future Ecumenical Prayer Service --
« on: November 15, 2017, 04:39:24 PM »
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    Wednesday, November 8, 2017
    Rome Makes Quibbling Denial of Planned Future 
    Sacrilegious Communion Service with Lutheran Heretics
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    Pope's effusive praise for the Protestant Revolt have inspired credible rumors
    about a future "Mass" combining evil Protestant and Catholic elements and sacrilegious
    Communion.

    Edit: isn't the protestant prayer service  the heart and soul of the Novus Ordo?
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    (Rome) Roman authorities deny that the Vatican is preparing to conduct an "ecumenical Mass."
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    At the Vatican, it is denied that there is "a commission charged with drawing up an 'ecumenical Mass' for Catholics and Lutherans to attend and receive communion."
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    The Vatican assures that rumors surrounding the anniversary of the Reformation are "completely wrong."
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    Official Vatican Commission or informal grassroots group with papal benevolence?
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    Vatican spokesman Greg Burke: What exactly did he deny?



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    To be precise, the Vatican denied that there was "a commission" officially in charge. In recent days, informal initiatives have been reported by various media, including InfoVaticana and Vaticanista Marco Tosatti. "Roman grassroots communities" are to work with the alleged "benevolence of Santa Marta" at an "ecumenical Mass".
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    The difference between official and informal is blatant, but in the concrete case - if the information is correct - it would only serve to conceal it. In the absence of an official commission, the Vatican could dispute anything while informally prepared with a papal blessing, that which is disputed.
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    In any case, if the rumor is wrong, it shows what observers of the Vatican already know, since the "Bergoglio style" had its entry there.
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    Is Cardinal Sarah being kept in the dark?
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    Tosatti had published a chronicle in the US magazine First Things and wrote in it of a "commission", which was to have created a "legendary (fabulous?)," so InfoVaticana, "ecumenical Mass". The Vatican also mentioned that Cardinal Robert Sarah, the prefect of the Congregation for Worship and the Order of the Sacraments, was being kept in the dark about it.
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    This is credible insofar as Cardinal Sarah has already been bypassed (or deceived) directly by Pope Francis. Although it falls within the faculty of the Cardinal, it happened two months ago that the Motu proprio Magnum principium was kept secret from him. He only learned about it from the paper, although the document, in addition to the pope's signature, also bears that of his secretary, Archbishop Arthur Roche, who was supposed to be the Cardinal's closest collaborator.
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    The rumors of an "ecumenical Mass" are also considered credible, because in the past 18 months Pope Francis poured out the deluge of praise for Martin Luther and his Reformation.
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    New food for rumors and denials
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    The rumors received new sustenance when the newspaper The Australian asked for a report from the Vatican about the nature of an "ecumenical Mass," but received no response.
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    "Ecumenical Mass" of tomorrow? In the picture a teddybear Mass
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    Last week, turmoil increased as names of alleged members of the ghostly "commission" emerged, including the well-known, progressive liturgist Andrea Grillo, who was a constant critic of Benedict XVI on liturgical issues, however, in this pontificate happens to be an Ultrabergoglian. Last Friday, Grillo denied to the Catholic Herald, the existence of such a Vatican Commission.
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    The restlessness must have been audible up to the highest floors of the Vatican, as it has now come to a double denial.
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    Curia Archbishop Arthur Roche, Secretary of the Congregation for Divine Worship, told Christopher Lamb of the progressiveTablet, that the rumors about a Vatican commission to prepare an "ecumenical Mass" are "completely wrong". Likewise,Vatican spokesman Greg Burke, who stated when he was asked, that the rumors are "just wrong."
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    How credible are the denials?
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    The readers of InfoVaticana, following their comments, are not reassured by these denials. Too many remember the apparent confusion, which took place a few months ago surrounding Pope Francis and his immediate circle about another "commission". On June 14, 2017, the Roman historian, Prof. Roberto de Mattei, quite concretely wrote in an essay of the existence of a "secret commission" with the task to re-interpret the encyclical Humanae vitae. De Mattei also mentioned the names of Commissioners, including as Head Msgr. Gilfredo Marengo.
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    Curia Archbishop Vincenzo Paglia, a former Family Minister to the Vatican and current President of the Pontifical Academy for Life and Grand Chancellor of the Pontifical Institute for Studies on Marriage and Family, spoke on June 16 in front of the microphones and categorically denied the existence of such a "commission" and especially such an intention. In the same breath, however, he casually let it be known that there was a "study group", which was almost completely lost.
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    Avvenire, the daily newspaper of Italian bishops, went so far as to present the information published by de Mattei on a "Commission" as "media manipulation." The rumors got louder and louder until on July 25, Msgr. Gilfredo Marengo of Radio Vatican gave an interview and confirmed the existence of a "research group." If one reads Paglia's disclaimer retrospectively and literally, he had ultimately only denied the existence of a "Commission". A "research group" is something completely different.
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    Such hair-splitting, which serve the concealment, are responsible for an apparent loss of confidence in statements by representatives by the papal clique, as the comments at InfoVaticana show.
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    The Vatican's Marco Tosatti was the first to report in mid-May about the existence of a secret commission on Humanae vitae, which turned out to be correct despite several weeks of denials by the Vatican. The same Tosatti now reported on the informal commission for the elaboration of an "ecumenical Mass". So should Pope confidante Roche and Vatican spokesman Burke have denied only the existence of an official Vatican commission, but not generally the existence of such commission on behalf of the Pope?
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    Text: Giuseppe Nardi 
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    Re: Rome Pretending to Deny Future Ecumenical Prayer Service --
    « Reply #1 on: November 15, 2017, 04:56:29 PM »
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  • From the start, since this is a long article, it helps to read the last 3 paragraphs because then you'll know where the whole thing is headed. If you don't read those last paragraphs first, you might have to go back and read the whole thing a second time.
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    Note: "media manipulation" = fake news 
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    Avvenire, the daily newspaper of Italian bishops, went so far as to present the information published by de Mattei on a "Commission" as "media manipulation." The rumors got louder and louder until on July 25, Msgr. Gilfredo Marengo of Radio Vatican gave an interview and confirmed the existence of a "research group." If one reads Paglia's disclaimer retrospectively and literally, he had ultimately only denied the existence of a "Commission". A "research group" is something completely different.
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    Such hair-splitting, which serve the concealment, are responsible for an apparent loss of confidence in statements by representatives by the papal clique, as the comments at InfoVaticana show.
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    The Vatican's Marco Tosatti was the first to report in mid-May about the existence of a secret commission on Humanae vitae, which turned out to be correct despite several weeks of denials by the Vatican. The same Tosatti now reported on the informal commission for the elaboration of an "ecumenical Mass". So should Pope confidante Roche and Vatican spokesman Burke have denied only the existence of an official Vatican commission, but not generally the existence of such commission on behalf of the Pope?
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    Note the mention of a secret commission on Humanae vitae -- There is a deliberate plan to overturn the prohibition against contraception as found in that encyclical by Paul VI. The secret commission has been collecting all the preparatory documents that were written in advance of Humanae vitae, because the recommendation they had made to Paul VI was to do away with the prohibition of contraception, but Paul VI did not follow that advice, fortunately. Pope Francis is now attempting to go back and undo this landmark teaching so he can promote the so-called gay agenda and women's ordinations and intercommunion with divorced and remarried and of course Protestants.
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