Author Topic: Rome gives SSPX an ultimatum (Read 802 times)

Cletus · « **Reply #1 on:** July 02, 2008, 09:20:32 AM »

Bishop Williamson said that Benedict XVI is a philosophical madman. Nothing vague about that.

I wouldn't expect a representative of the Vatican and His Holiness to say anything along the lines of, "Kindly refrain from calling the Holy Father a wacko of any sort in future." I don't think that the author of this so-called ultimatum can be faulted for "vagueness" at least on the "respect for the pope" point. I'd call it tact.

Of course, the main point is that Bishop Williamson is right. He is only too kind when he speaks on this subject.

Dulcamara · « **Reply #2 on:** July 02, 2008, 04:54:13 PM »

Bishop Williamson also said, "You can't make anything but a butter agreement with people whose minds are made of butter!" (Or words to that effect.) Meaning... the men in Rome SAY one thing, but what they mean is something totally different from what they know the person or people in question will think it means. And after you've made an agreement... you with YOUR understanding and them with THEIRS... thinking you've made a great deal for yourself, suddenly the tables are turned, and you find out that they mean something totally objectionable by what they said, and now you've agreed to it! Which is precisely what happened, as I understand, to Archbishop Lefebvre. (Concerning a certain signature.) When he realized what they meant... how could he agree to it?

I'm sorry to say it, but a blind man could see that the men in rome have been playing mind/word games with the traditionalists all along. And reality has proved it in those traditional groups who went along and made an agreement with rome, being promised all sorts of things, and understanding the agreement in one way, only to later find that the agreement isn't at all what they thought it would be, and that very quickly they're under the thumb, so to speak, to accept modernism hook, line and sinker, and to do it silently! The SSPX observed this not many years ago, and saw what came of it.

For the SSPX to make an agreement right now, would be like watching someone go onto a used car lot, get promised a perfectly excellent deal, and end up with a lemon, and then proceed to go do the same thing yourself. You KNOW they're sharks, why on earth would you follow suit after someone else just proved all of your doubts to be facts?

JoanScholastica · « **Reply #3 on:** July 03, 2008, 05:09:38 PM »

Well, I'm glad on what the Superior General said last Saturday

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Fellay: "I have already written a response and we will see how Rome will react"

The Superior General of the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Pius X (FSSPX / SSPX), Bishop Bernard Fellay, granted today an interview to Gino Driussi, of RTSI (the Italian-language Swiss public radio), providing some very enlightening answers:

[17:45][Fellay:] Perhaps it is false to say, in such a way, directly, that I reject, that I propose a total rejection [of the conditions], that is not true. Rather, I see in this ultimatum a very vague, confused thing. But, in fact, I have already written a response and we will see how Rome will react.
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[18:53] [Fellay:] For me, this ultimatum has no sense, because we have relations with Rome which go forward in a certain speed, which is truly slow. And it is true, on the other hand, that both the Cardinal [Castrillón Hoyos] and the Holy Father would wish for a rather accelerated speed. For me, the only meaning of this ultimatum is the expression of this desire of Rome to give it a little bit of hastiness. Therefore, for me, it is not a reconsideration of all our relations.

[Interviewer:] "Then, you expect to continue in the dialogue, thus?"

[Fellay:] Yes, yes, it is possible that there will now be a time of more, of coolness, but, frankly, for me, it is not over, no.