So say you tell someone their view is heretical. And you show them church teaching. And they just disagree with you, not because they on principle aren't willing to submit to whatever the Church teaches (indeed the person would believe whatever the Church teaches, if only they knew) but because they disagree with your interpretation of said Church teaching.
Yes, that's where it becomes tricky. Heretics can be slippery. They will SAY that it matters to them that their position be consistent with Church dogma. But the question is whether they really do. At the end of the day, no one but God can judge that.
We have to deal with things as manifest in the external forum. That's why St. Robert Bellarmine speaks about MANIFEST heresy deposing from the Church rather than FORMAL heresy. So this is the wrong argument here. You could have someone who on the outside appears to be perfectly orthodox, but in his soul doesn't have the faith ... and vice versa, someone who's a heretic outwardly but inside has the sincere intention to accept Church teaching. But
de internis Ecclesia non judicat, the Church does not judge regarding matters of the internal forum.
We can only judge the PERTINACIOUS adherence in the external forum to heretical doctrine. And there's no doubt that the V2 papal claimants adhere pertinaciously to their errors. I'm certain of it that if Bergoglio were to resign, and some orthodox Pope came along and ordered Bergoglio to submit to traditional Church teaching, he would refuse.
And I do believe that these men are active infiltrators and conscious destroyers.
But this is the wrong argument. Personal heresy doesn't even matter. If the V2 Magisterium had taught perfectly orthodox doctrine and we were still using the Tridentine Mass, etc. ... then I would not waste 10 seconds of my time attempting to resolve the question of whether Bergoglio's insane ramblings constitute pertinacious heresy.
So the problem we have here is whether the V2 Magisterium is in fact the Catholic Magisterium, and not the personal state of Bergoglio's soul. Do I even recognize this Conciliar establishment as the Catholic Church? I most certainly do not. As to how or why this has happened, God only knows. Archbishop Lefebvre famously speculated about the possible explanations. Was Paul VI drugged? Was Paul VI insane? Was Paul VI being blackmailed? Was there a double put in his place? Was Paul VI a heretic? At the end of the day, along with the Archbishop, we don't know for sure. All we know is that their Magisterium is not the Magisterium of the Catholic Church, and they are not (at least freely) exercising the papal Magisterium in a formal way.
Here's how faith starts. We look at the Church and recognize its marks. Then, based on these motives of credibility, we submit to this Church. So there's a lead up of natural reason towards supernatural faith. All this is taught at Vatican I. But we do not see these marks in the Conciliar Church, so we withdraw from submission to it ... categorically. R&R however says that we can recognize it as the Church and at the same time submit to what we like and not submit to what we don't like. That, in a nutshell, is the debate between Sedevacantism and R&R.