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Richmond Diocese Newspaper calls SSPX "Schismatic Sect"
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  • http://www.catholicvirginian.org/archive/2013/2013vol88iss18/pages/article8.html

    Traditionalist seminary in Buckingham not in communion with Holy See

    The St. Thomas Aquinas Seminary in a rural area of Buckingham County is operated by the Society of St. Pius X, a schismatic sect which is not in communion with the Holy See.

    Catholics who attend Sunday liturgy there do not fulfill their Sunday obligation and the sacraments offered are not valid in accordance with the Vatican.

    There is an element of confusion among some Catholics about the validity of the liturgy and the sacraments at the seminary which opened a year ago.

    Father Anthony Morris, pastor of St. Theresa Parish in Farmville, says that his church office frequently gets calls from people, some of whom express excitement, and want to know if the seminary Mass is an alternative to the regular Sunday Mass at a Catholic parish. It is not.

    “I have announced it from the pulpit to our parishioners,” Father Morris told The Catholic Virginian.

    In addition to St. Theresa’s in Farmville, Father Morris is pastor of the adjacent parishes of Immaculate Heart of Mary in Blackstone, Sacred Heart in Meherrin, and Nativity in Buckingham.

    The seminary in Buckingham is affiliated with the Society of St. Pius X, an international sect founded in 1970 by the late French Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre.

    Pope Benedict XVI has declared that, for doctrinal rather than disciplinary reasons, the Society of St. Pius X has no canonical status within the Roman Catholic Church and the ministries exercised by its ministers are not legitimate.


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    « Reply #1 on: July 09, 2013, 10:12:54 AM »
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  • +JMJ+

    +Lefebvre preached the same doctrine after Vat2 as before.

    +Lefebvre offered the same Holy Sacrifice of the Mass after Vat2 as before.

    Those who came out of that bastard council adopting new 'memorial meal' services and the heresy of an EQUAL 'priesthood of all the faithful' along with other heinous obfuscations and denials of dogma were preaching and offering things never before recognized, accepted or countenanced by Holy Church.

    Now, WHO belongs to the 'schismatic sect'?

    St. John Vianney, pray for us.

    Immaculate Heart of Mary, triumph soon!

    Most Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy on us.
    This evil of heresy spreads itself. The doctrines of godliness are overturned; the rules of the Church are in confusion; the ambition of the unprincipled seizes upon places of authority; and the chief seat [the Papacy] is now openly proposed as a rewar


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    Richmond Diocese Newspaper calls SSPX "Schismatic Sect"
    « Reply #2 on: July 09, 2013, 10:44:09 AM »
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  • Absolute wolves in sheep's clothing, it makes me nauseated.

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    « Reply #3 on: July 09, 2013, 11:13:56 AM »
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  • Quote from: Stephen Francis
    +JMJ+

    +Lefebvre preached the same doctrine after Vat2 as before.

    +Lefebvre offered the same Holy Sacrifice of the Mass after Vat2 as before.

    Those who came out of that bastard council adopting new 'memorial meal' services and the heresy of an EQUAL 'priesthood of all the faithful' along with other heinous obfuscations and denials of dogma were preaching and offering things never before recognized, accepted or countenanced by Holy Church.

    Now, WHO belongs to the 'schismatic sect'?

    St. John Vianney, pray for us.

    Immaculate Heart of Mary, triumph soon!

    Most Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy on us.



    An individual who claims he belongs to the "Catholic Church" but refuses to hold any of the diocesan bishops as having any authority, they would be schismatic. When they reject essentially everything about the "Church" and claim to still believe their "pope" is a true pope, that would be schismatic.
    If the novus ordo is the Catholic Church then anyone who refuses communion with their hierarchy, but accepts their "head" as the real head of the Church, then they are schismatic.
    One has to reject the false head also if they want to be true Catholics. He teaches and endorses every change and abomination that has been introduced since Vatican II.
    To accept a manifest heretic as the pope is schismatic.
    It is illogical.
    Ecclesiasticus 5:8-9 "8 Delay not to be converted to the Lord, and defer it not from day to day.
    9 For his wrath shall come on a sudden, and in the time of vengeance he will destroy thee."

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    « Reply #4 on: July 09, 2013, 11:15:53 AM »
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  • Quote from: stevusmagnus
    (FTA): Catholics who attend Sunday liturgy there [SSPX seminary] do not fulfill their Sunday obligation and the sacraments offered are not valid...


    How delicious is this irony? :ready-to-eat:
    "Kindness is for fools! They [modernists] want to be treated with oil, soap, and caresses, but they ought to be beaten with fists. In a duel, you don't count or measure the blows, you strike as you can. War is not made with charity. It is a struggle, a duel." -- Pope St. Pius X


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    Richmond Diocese Newspaper calls SSPX "Schismatic Sect"
    « Reply #5 on: July 09, 2013, 06:31:29 PM »
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  •  :smoke-pot:
    The Bishop of the Diocese of Richmond says the SSPX 's Masses and Sacraments are invalid,
    so they are.  Take heart, because all the faithful need do is relocate to the Diocese of Rockville Center where Bishop McGann said in 1985, that Catholics may fulfill their Sunday Mass duty and receive valid Sacraments from the SSPX.  Furthermore, in the same year, the papal nuncio wrote a letter to a couple in that diocese saying the same thing.  So you see, one needn't get upset.  In the Newchurch of Vat. II, all that is needed is to find the Bishop with whom you agree!  In this respect, Newcatholics have it as good as Protestants!  If you don't like what the pastor teaches, change churches!
     St. Francis Xavier threw a Crucifix into the sea, at once calming the waves.  Upon reaching the shore, the Crucifix was returned to him by a crab with a curious cross pattern on its shell.  

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    « Reply #6 on: July 09, 2013, 08:09:36 PM »
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  • It's much like Conciliar Church "confessional hopping," Frances. Don't like what Fr. O'Grady said in the Reconciliation Room? Why, just go to Fr. Bill at Paul VI Catholic Community down the street!
    "Kindness is for fools! They [modernists] want to be treated with oil, soap, and caresses, but they ought to be beaten with fists. In a duel, you don't count or measure the blows, you strike as you can. War is not made with charity. It is a struggle, a duel." -- Pope St. Pius X

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    Richmond Diocese Newspaper calls SSPX "Schismatic Sect"
    « Reply #7 on: July 09, 2013, 08:22:56 PM »
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  • Someone is inhaling a little too strongly over at the "diocese" - me-thinks.

     :smoke-pot:


    You are either an incompetent idiot or smoking something mightily too strong to swallow this little piece of "news".

    You kind of wonder if these people actually attempt to be educated beyond hysterics and 5th grade name calling.  

    Obviously not.





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    « Reply #8 on: July 09, 2013, 08:28:31 PM »
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  • That is one thing the Vatican has never said that the Sacraments
    administered by the Priests of the SSPX are not valid.
    This is a Bishop of a diocese acting thinking that he is the
    Pope.
    The Pope of his diocese.
    What do he say about the schismatic sects of the Eastern and
    Russian Orthodox Churches in which the Vatican has said that
    their Sacraments are valid and Roman Catholics are encouraged
    to attend.

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    « Reply #9 on: July 11, 2013, 10:00:17 PM »
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  • .

    At first glance these two posts would seem to be unrelated - as if one
    or the other is off-topic.  But they are very much related, in fact..........

    Quote from: RomanCatholic1953

    That is one thing the Vatican has never said -- that the Sacraments
    administered by the Priests of the SSPX are not valid.

    This is a Bishop of a diocese acting & thinking that he is the Pope -
    the Pope of his diocese!

    What does he say about the schismatic sects of the Eastern and
    Russian Orthodox Churches -- in which the Vatican has said that
    their Sacraments are valid and Roman Catholics are encouraged
    to attend!?



    This question of Eastern Orthodox is the Achille's Heel of the New Order!

    Quote from: Charlemagne

    It's much like Conciliar Church "confessional hopping," Frances.  Don't like what Fr. O'Grady said in the Reconciliation Room?  Why, just go to Fr. Bill at Paul VI Catholic Community down the street!




    I have a little story to tell, and I hope it doesn't scandalize anyone.  

    This was the last time I went to Confession at a NovusOrdo parish.
    A traditional priest had told me that the sacrament of Penance is
    one of the things that NovusOrdo priests still have intact, so it's fine
    to go there.  I took his advice and I would then later regret it.

    I took my daughter with me.  She was in line ahead of me.  When
    she came out of the confessional, she was crying.  She was about
    12 years old.  I took her aside, out of earshot of the others in line,
    and asked her what was wrong.  She told me that the priest in the
    confessional said she had committed a mortal sin by attending an
    old Mass using the old liturgy because it is not approved (this was
    before Summorum Pontificum), and so he said it was not valid and
    it did not fulfill her Sunday obligation and she missed Mass so it was
    a mortal sin.  I assured her I would deal with this, and she was not
    to worry about it.  This calmed her fears. I returned to the queue.

    When it was my turn, I went into the weird room, which was open
    on the right where the penitent has the option to sit face-to-face
    with the priest instead of behind the screen like Catholics have done
    for centuries, and like all the saints have done for ages and ages.
    But we're smarter than them, now, or so it would seem.

    I confessed my sins, and the last thing I mentioned was that I had
    taken my daughter to Sunday Mass where it was "one of those
    old style liturgies."  I heard him sit up straight to take notice.  I
    said that it was a concern to me that she had been worried that
    this attendance did perhaps not fulfill her Sunday obligation, for it
    was not an Indult Mass, and was offered by a priest who is not
    from the diocese.  He responded with a sharp tone, as if getting
    ready to "rip me a new one."  I recall thinking how ironic it was that
    I could tell all of this without having seen his physical posture or
    countenance in reaction to what I had said like I could have if I had
    chosen the "face-to-face option" to the right, over there.  So the
    option would have been of no advantage at all, even in this case.
    From the tone of his voice I could tell without question that he was
    eager to take pleasure in showing me how wrong I was for daring
    to attend the 'old Mass' (instead of the diocese version!).  

    He was really getting into this.  I could almost hear the gears
    spinning, and it would seem the sky would be the limit for my
    penance - such a terrible offense - or, would absolution be withheld!?

    I let it go on as long as I dared, until there was nothing more to
    add or anything more of substance to obtain by way of counsel from
    this confused priest.  And then I let him have it.  If he was 'confused'
    before, what would you call the following?  

    I told him that this "old Mass" was an Armenian Orthodox Divine
    Liturgy, and my daughter had been worried because everything was
    so different, she had thought that it wasn't really Sunday Mass.

    The confessor stopped breathing.  It would seem his complexion
    turned pale white from the sound of his utterance and the sound
    of him slumping in his seat, deflated, as it were.  At this point, I
    almost regretted not having chosen 'the option' but for me, that
    would have been an abuse.  

    The fact was, that I had actually taken my daughter to an Armenian
    Orthodox rite Divine Liturgy, some time before that, without having
    been specifically aware that it would not be okay, since we had been
    hearing words of ecumenical sharing with all manner of alternative
    liturgies.  So I wasn't telling him anything untrue, literally, it was only
    the manner in which I said it that gave him the lead into presuming
    something that was inaccurate at first.

    He changed his attitude entirely.  Suddenly, what I had done was not
    such a terrible thing.  There had been no sin, he said.  While it is best
    for us to attend our normal diocese Mass on Sunday, it is also not
    a bad thing to experience the rich diversity in culture that is here in
    our area, and the Orthodox liturgies are a vast source of such
    experience available for us to enjoy, so as to appreciate the culture
    of other rites, and on, and on.  I asked him if we had fulfilled our
    Sunday obligation at this schismatic sect's service, and he was a
    bit shocked by the question, as if it was now him on the side of
    defensiveness, and he had to hunt for an excuse.  He hemmed and
    hawed, as if befuddled.  I was aware then and there that he was
    now confronting the reality of his own self-contradiction.  And that's
    where I left it.  He gave me a simple penance and I received
    absolution.

    After that, I decided that this is not what I go to confession for, to
    put the priest on the spot and to make him re-consider his
    outlook so as to be less critical of the penitent or anything like that.
    It's not an opportunity to match wits.  It is not the place to show
    the priest that he has been wrong.  The priest is not there to
    confess to me.  As a result, I have only confessed to traditional
    priests ever since.  

    But it was rather telling, that this priest had been most critical of
    what he thought was the Canonized Traditional Latin Mass because
    it was independent and not under the authority of the local Roman
    Rite bishop.

    But he was in NO WAY critical of the Armenian Orthodox Divine
    Liturgy, which is obviously independent of the authority of the local
    Roman Rite bishop.

    IOW what's good for the goose is not good for the gander, or else,
    it has NOTHING TO DO with so-called authority under the
    local bishop, and EVERYTHING to do with political correctness,
    appearances, ecumenism, religious freedom and cultural diversity
    .  


    Please show me that topic in your moral theology handbook!  



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    « Reply #10 on: July 12, 2013, 09:25:12 PM »
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  • You should try living in this Diocese  :mad: The Catholic Virginian is contraband in this house!

    Pax,
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    « Reply #11 on: July 12, 2013, 10:03:53 PM »
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  • It is not just Virginia. This is preached at majority of no dioceses.    They tell people that Archbishop Lefebvre is "wacko heretic schismatic. Rebel. Renegade. Hates the pope etc.  this what no teaches as they love all religions.    



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    « Reply #12 on: July 18, 2013, 05:42:23 PM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat
    .

    At first glance these two posts would seem to be unrelated - as if one
    or the other is off-topic.  But they are very much related, in fact..........

    Quote from: RomanCatholic1953

    That is one thing the Vatican has never said -- that the Sacraments
    administered by the Priests of the SSPX are not valid.

    This is a Bishop of a diocese acting & thinking that he is the Pope -
    the Pope of his diocese!

    What does he say about the schismatic sects of the Eastern and
    Russian Orthodox Churches -- in which the Vatican has said that
    their Sacraments are valid and Roman Catholics are encouraged
    to attend!?



    This question of Eastern Orthodox is the Achille's Heel of the New Order!

    Quote from: Charlemagne

    It's much like Conciliar Church "confessional hopping," Frances.  Don't like what Fr. O'Grady said in the Reconciliation Room?  Why, just go to Fr. Bill at Paul VI Catholic Community down the street!




    I have a little story to tell, and I hope it doesn't scandalize anyone.  

    This was the last time I went to Confession at a NovusOrdo parish.
    A traditional priest had told me that the sacrament of Penance is
    one of the things that NovusOrdo priests still have intact, so it's fine
    to go there.  I took his advice and I would then later regret it.

    I took my daughter with me.  She was in line ahead of me.  When
    she came out of the confessional, she was crying.  She was about
    12 years old.  I took her aside, out of earshot of the others in line,
    and asked her what was wrong.  She told me that the priest in the
    confessional said she had committed a mortal sin by attending an
    old Mass using the old liturgy because it is not approved (this was
    before Summorum Pontificum), and so he said it was not valid and
    it did not fulfill her Sunday obligation and she missed Mass so it was
    a mortal sin.  I assured her I would deal with this, and she was not
    to worry about it.  This calmed her fears. I returned to the queue.

    When it was my turn, I went into the weird room, which was open
    on the right where the penitent has the option to sit face-to-face
    with the priest instead of behind the screen like Catholics have done
    for centuries, and like all the saints have done for ages and ages.
    But we're smarter than them, now, or so it would seem.

    I confessed my sins, and the last thing I mentioned was that I had
    taken my daughter to Sunday Mass where it was "one of those
    old style liturgies."  I heard him sit up straight to take notice.  I
    said that it was a concern to me that she had been worried that
    this attendance did perhaps not fulfill her Sunday obligation, for it
    was not an Indult Mass, and was offered by a priest who is not
    from the diocese.  He responded with a sharp tone, as if getting
    ready to "rip me a new one."  I recall thinking how ironic it was that
    I could tell all of this without having seen his physical posture or
    countenance in reaction to what I had said like I could have if I had
    chosen the "face-to-face option" to the right, over there.  So the
    option would have been of no advantage at all, even in this case.
    From the tone of his voice I could tell without question that he was
    eager to take pleasure in showing me how wrong I was for daring
    to attend the 'old Mass' (instead of the diocese version!).  

    He was really getting into this.  I could almost hear the gears
    spinning, and it would seem the sky would be the limit for my
    penance - such a terrible offense - or, would absolution be withheld!?

    I let it go on as long as I dared, until there was nothing more to
    add or anything more of substance to obtain by way of counsel from
    this confused priest.  And then I let him have it.  If he was 'confused'
    before, what would you call the following?  

    I told him that this "old Mass" was an Armenian Orthodox Divine
    Liturgy, and my daughter had been worried because everything was
    so different, she had thought that it wasn't really Sunday Mass.

    The confessor stopped breathing.  It would seem his complexion
    turned pale white from the sound of his utterance and the sound
    of him slumping in his seat, deflated, as it were.  At this point, I
    almost regretted not having chosen 'the option' but for me, that
    would have been an abuse.  

    The fact was, that I had actually taken my daughter to an Armenian
    Orthodox rite Divine Liturgy, some time before that, without having
    been specifically aware that it would not be okay, since we had been
    hearing words of ecumenical sharing with all manner of alternative
    liturgies.  So I wasn't telling him anything untrue, literally, it was only
    the manner in which I said it that gave him the lead into presuming
    something that was inaccurate at first.

    He changed his attitude entirely.  Suddenly, what I had done was not
    such a terrible thing.  There had been no sin, he said.  While it is best
    for us to attend our normal diocese Mass on Sunday, it is also not
    a bad thing to experience the rich diversity in culture that is here in
    our area, and the Orthodox liturgies are a vast source of such
    experience available for us to enjoy, so as to appreciate the culture
    of other rites, and on, and on.  I asked him if we had fulfilled our
    Sunday obligation at this schismatic sect's service, and he was a
    bit shocked by the question, as if it was now him on the side of
    defensiveness, and he had to hunt for an excuse.  He hemmed and
    hawed, as if befuddled.  I was aware then and there that he was
    now confronting the reality of his own self-contradiction.  And that's
    where I left it.  He gave me a simple penance and I received
    absolution.

    After that, I decided that this is not what I go to confession for, to
    put the priest on the spot and to make him re-consider his
    outlook so as to be less critical of the penitent or anything like that.
    It's not an opportunity to match wits.  It is not the place to show
    the priest that he has been wrong.  The priest is not there to
    confess to me.  As a result, I have only confessed to traditional
    priests ever since.  

    But it was rather telling, that this priest had been most critical of
    what he thought was the Canonized Traditional Latin Mass because
    it was independent and not under the authority of the local Roman
    Rite bishop.

    But he was in NO WAY critical of the Armenian Orthodox Divine
    Liturgy, which is obviously independent of the authority of the local
    Roman Rite bishop.

    IOW what's good for the goose is not good for the gander, or else,
    it has NOTHING TO DO with so-called authority under the
    local bishop, and EVERYTHING to do with political correctness,
    appearances, ecumenism, religious freedom and cultural diversity
    .  


    Please show me that topic in your moral theology handbook!  







    Excellent post. It does reveal the inconsistencies of the new church.
    Regina Angelorum, ora pro nobis!

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    « Reply #13 on: July 18, 2013, 06:42:54 PM »
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  • Heh, reminds me of a story I heard from one of my cousins who now has 6 children and is using "NFP."

    The priest where she went to the novus ordo for years, told her that it was good for a couple to "move in together" so that they could "get to know each other." He's still in good standing with the diocese with this advice by the way.... but the couple wasn't very happy hearing this.

    So, they just went to another church instead.

     :laugh1:

    I have to laugh because any other novus ordo modernist couple would not only have stayed at that church, moved in together and actually go -searching- for these kinds of priests, but also would have recommend them to friends that are already living together, with the bad advice rather than moving away from them.

    It's really too bad the rest of my extended family is all out in lala land as far as the the Church goes. At least they have some sense of right and wrong through it all, though.
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

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    « Reply #14 on: July 23, 2013, 06:12:51 PM »
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  • Quote from: Isaac Jogues
    Quote from: Stephen Francis
    +JMJ+

    +Lefebvre preached the same doctrine after Vat2 as before.

    +Lefebvre offered the same Holy Sacrifice of the Mass after Vat2 as before.

    Those who came out of that bastard council adopting new 'memorial meal' services and the heresy of an EQUAL 'priesthood of all the faithful' along with other heinous obfuscations and denials of dogma were preaching and offering things never before recognized, accepted or countenanced by Holy Church.

    Now, WHO belongs to the 'schismatic sect'?

    St. John Vianney, pray for us.

    Immaculate Heart of Mary, triumph soon!

    Most Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy on us.



    An individual who claims he belongs to the "Catholic Church" but refuses to hold any of the diocesan bishops as having any authority, they would be schismatic. When they reject essentially everything about the "Church" and claim to still believe their "pope" is a true pope, that would be schismatic.
    If the novus ordo is the Catholic Church then anyone who refuses communion with their hierarchy, but accepts their "head" as the real head of the Church, then they are schismatic.
    One has to reject the false head also if they want to be true Catholics. He teaches and endorses every change and abomination that has been introduced since Vatican II.
    To accept a manifest heretic as the pope is schismatic.
    It is illogical.


    Therefore you agree with the NO bishop that the SSPX is schismatic, including the Resistance SSPX.
    "Jesus was the fruit of Mary, as Elizabeth expressed it: 'Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.' Whoever wishes for the fruit, must go to the tree; whoever wishes for Jesus must go to Mary; and he who finds Mary, also certain

     

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